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The American College of Chest Physicians has held it 7th Consensus Conference on Antithrombotic Therapy. This is the group that sets the guidelines for wrafarin therapy, at least for North America (Europe has another group.) I received an invitation to a conference on April 22, announcing the latest recommendations.

The objectives did not mention any changes in the guidelines for mechanical heart valve patients. So, I do not think that they will change from what they have been.

We will know for sure in another month.
 
Al - I would have no idea about this, but my Cardio seems to think that the guidelines for a mechanical aortic valve recipient will be reduced down to from 2.0 to 3.0 Guess we'll wait and see, meantime, I like to err on the high side
 
Bileaflet (2 piece) mechanical aortic valves have been 2.0 to 3.0. It is just that hardly anyone uses that range. Personally, I see no difference in bleeding or clotting between 2.0 - 3.0 and 2.5 to 3.5. So I use the higher range. My idea is don't let people get more than 0.2 units low or above 5.0 - so both ranges are essentially the same.
 
Right from the get go two weeks ago today, they have been aiming to get my blood level into the 2.0 to 3.0 range...LOL..my blood seems to be just too darn healthy and the struggle to get it into the 2.0 range seems to be a bit tough. It wants to go lower. So I am on 7.5 mg of Rat Poison per day I was as high as 10 mg, plus Lovenox shots twice a day and an 81 mg aspirin. I have full confidence that it will level out. :D
 
Surely No Change!?

Surely No Change!?

Hi Al,

surely any requirement for change would have been notified immediately, not sat on until a convenient conference comes along? Please tell me that's the case!

Simon
 
INR daily range

INR daily range

I have often wondered given the half life of warfarin, levels of
foods being digested and varing levels of exercise, if anyone
has done a study where PT was tested every 1/2 to see what was the standard deviation about the norm of a PT taken once a day. Also does this vary from pt. to pt.
I would think that the more warafarin a pt. takes the larger
the range in any 24 hr. period.
Any thoughts or studies on this?
 
These last two points have almost the same answer.

The ranges are decided by a committee. They look at research that has been done, decide how well done it is etc and then vote.

Not only would they wait to announce their findings but this meeting is almost a year behind schedule. The committee has many members (including the co-chair) from Ontario, Canada. They were scheduled to meet last year just as the SARS outbreak took place and travel in and out of Toronto was restricted. So the meeting was put off for almost a year.

Keep in mind
1. These are guidelines - not laws
2. It is hard to keep any individual within the guidelines more than about 60% of the time
3. It is not only how far out of the guidelines that you are but how long you stay out.

At my clinic we routinely test about every 4 to 5 weeks for people who have been on warfarin for a long time.
The results
1. A minor bleed about every 18 patient months
2. A major bleed about every 33 patient years
3. A clotting episode about every 100 patient years.

Most INRs below 8 result in no bleeding
I take action when the INR gets more than 0.2 units low
I take action when the INR gets above 5

If you test more frequently or used tighter guidelines what can you hope to achieve?

Would there be a noticable improvement if the guidelines said 2.6 to 3.4?
Could you get the minor bleeding rate down to every 15 months?
Could you get the major bleeding rate down to every 30 years? 25 years?
Could you get the clotting rate down to every 90 years?
Would these be an improvement in your life when weighed against daily testing?

Blindness, amputations, and dialysis occur at high rates in diabetics yet how hard is it to get diabetics to test their blood sugar even once a day? Is it likely that people with heart valves would do much better than diabetics?

That is why I don't think we need to know day-to-day variations in the INR, or have tighter guidelines. I just do not think that these will result in major improvements in the quality of life.

Read the responses to the thread with the questionaire about how peoples lives were changed and how they live with warfarin. Those who responded seemed to be doing fairly well with what we have now.

I think that the greatest improvement in the lives of the members would be to reduce the risk when warfarin needs to be discontinued.
 
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