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placed in her aortic valve position Friday. They gave her first dose of Coumadin last night. I'll be honest with you, this drug scares the crap outta me. I understand that a clot is a really bad thing, and that scares me worse. This is her third open heart surgery, and hopefully her last. They were able to put an adult size valve in her. My question is, "Is life on Coumadin that bad?" and "Will a five year old girl still be able to do the things she has loved to do like running and playing?" She gets nose bleeds really bad, and now that she is on Coumadin, I fear we may not be able to stop the bleeding. Does anyone have any comments or advice?

Currently my daughter is in CICU at Childrens Hospital of Atlanta.

They take the drainage tubes out this morning, and she seems to be in alot of discomfort. I will check back later today.
 
I'm sorry to hear that she's had to start this type of life at such a young age, but it is life and that's what counts. She may have to be a little more careful about getting injured or hit on the head, but she should pretty much grow up without any real major problems. If she gets cut, she'll bleed a little longer then most people, but with pressure to the cut and proper bandaging, she'll be just fine. Her nosebleeds, if they are as severe as you say, should prompt you to see a nose and throat specialist about possible cauterization. She won't bleed to death, but sometimes you wonder how much blood you can loose through the nose. Without cauterization, she may be visiting the ER for nose packing frequently and that's not something I would want to see her go through repeatedly.

Coumadin is made to sound very monsterous by the medical community. The problem is that most of the Doctors and other medical professionals really don't know much of anything about the drug. I know that sounds funny, but it's the truth. We see it in here all the time. You'd think by now, everyone would be on the same page, but that's not the case.

As long as her INR stays within her prescribed range, she should be absolutely fine.

We have a member here, Al Lodwick, who is a Professional Anticoagulation Expert and runs his own Coumdain Clinic. He does monitor the threads in this forum, so I'm sure he'll interject some thoughts also. You can get most all of your Coumadin questions answered on his website which is at www.warfarinfo.com you might want to check into it.

Welcome to the forums! :)
 
Warfarin should always be a concern but never a worry. I have successfully managed warfarin for a bunch of kids under 10 years old. I am currently managing four of them. I have started with them as young as 5 months.

The reason that you should not be overly concerned about nosebleeds not stopping is this. At her age she could lose about a pint of blood before she gets into real trouble. The next time you go to the store, get a pint of whipping cream. Take it home and open it and throw it all over the kitchen floor. Then try to clean it up using only Kleenex. If she spilled that much blood, I guarantee that you would have he in a hospital already. So my rule is - if the bloody nose fills 5 Kleenex then start heading for the hospital. This gives you plenty of time. With the fine medical care available in Atlanta, she will not bleed to death.

Please look at my website www.warfarinfo.com (Ross was writing at the same time as I was)

Of particular interest will be http://warfarinfo.com/pediatrics.htm
where my student Phillip Romero interviewed the parents of children on warfarin.

You will probably also find http://warfarinfo.com/warfarinfor43years.htm
of interest. The person that this is about is a member of this site.

http://warfarinfo.com/outrageous.htm will inform you of some of the stupid things that people are likely to tell you.

President Eisenhower got warfarin when he had a heart attack in 1955, so we know a lot about this drug. Also, since it is so old, someone will come up with a replacement in a few years. But do not get your hopes up when you read about Exanta. It is not going to be available for heart patients any time soon.

There are several women on this site who had children after they had mechanical valves, so do not rule out that possibility.

The worst bruises I have seen on a child was when Saydie played on a Slip and Slide. Her valve had been in place for several years, so her Mom was used to letting her grow up but it still sent chills up and down her spine to she Saydie diving on her tummy down the wet plastic strip. The bruises healed in the usual amount of time.

As you already know, your daughter is amazing resilient. The guidelines for warfarin dosing are just that - guidelines. She will not instantly clot if her INR (measure of warfarin effectiveness) goes low nor will blood automatically squirt if it gets high. It will probably take a few months to get the INR consistently in range because of changing activity levels, eating, growth etc.

You will get dozens of replies to this post agreeing that warfarin will always be a concern but should not be a major worry.

Keep us posted. We will be your support. That is why Hank started this site and continues to devote much effort to it as do Ross, Rain and several others.
 
Thank you so much...

Thank you so much...

I am printing out your replies and taking them to my wife who is bedside in CICU. We do have a strong little girl who proved to be my Hero when she was 5 days old facing her first surgery. She has never ceased to amaze me and inspire me to be a better man. The little booger is sore now and actually turned down some Lucky Charms for the first time in her life. She has eaten a little Jello and all indications are that we should stepdown out of CICU today. Her only tubes now are IV's and Oxygen. I'll keep you posted, thanks again for the support.
 
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