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Karlynn

There was a thread recently that said the magnesium that we use should be magnesium gluconate. I'm just wondering why this is the case. The current type I take is magnesium oxide and it has zinc gluconate with it.

Just curious,
Karlynn
 
Hi Karylnn

Tyce takes chelated magnesium by Solgar. It is Magnesium as Magnesium glycinate/amino acid chelate. He has been on this for about a year or so and has had no problems with afib. I'm not sure about the thread, but I personally like the chelated minerals because of the absorption rate. Sorry I can't help you any more.

Evelyn
 
I take magnesium citrate, most say the chelated ones are better absorbed like Evelyn said. Some say the oxide ones are harder to dissolve in your system.
From:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/complementary/minerals.shtml
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Most absorbable forms are magnesium orotate, and amino-chelated magnesium. Magnesium gluconate and magnesium chloride are less effective but can be taken orally.
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I have posted repeatedly about magnesium gluconate, even though I don't know what that means. When I have taken the magnesium that is only magnesium oxide, it hasn't worked for me. When I take the magnesium that includes magnesium gluconate, it works. Perhaps the whole point is what Chicago Jim says, the gluconate is absorbed more easily. Perhaps it's just me. I have thrown away bottles of magnesium oxide that I bought because I couldn't find the gluconate, or that were given to me, because they just don't work for me.
 
The recommendation I followed in beginning to take magnesium wouldn't impress any real doctor; I'm still sort of surprised that I followed the recommendation -- but it has worked. I'm glad to have Janie's support, and the support of others, in taking magnesium.
I read about magnesium in a book I read shortly after surgery (I read it on the treadmill) with a title like Heart Surgery Isn't Necessary -- it might be by the same doctor you mention, Quetlin, on another thread. The "doctor" author spoke highly of chelation therapy and had many arguments that didn't convince me, but somewhere in the process mentioned taking magnesium orally, since it is used intraveneously to convert arrhythmia. I'm still waiting for an explanation of the gluconate side, which I found by accident.
 
Jim,
What amount of magnesium do you take? I looked on the bottles of my multi-vitamin and calcium tablets and I'm already taking a total of 400 just with those 2. And of course they are magnesium oxide. Do you also take a multi - and is it chelated?

Karlynn
 
The magnesium I get from GNC are 250 mg pills; I take one in the morning, one at night, so 500 mg per day; most take 400 mg, although somewhere, perhaps in the book I mentioned, I saw a recommendation for 1000 mg per day.
I have no idea if it is chelated or not. I don't take any other vitamins, other than chocolate which is supposed to be rich in magnesium.
 
meds

meds

May I sa ythat any suppliment you use should be checked out. By placing one pill in a glass of water and wait does it dissolve? The fast ones will be more easy to absorb. Some vit/min have been proven to be useless.

Med
 
Here's some excerpts on magnesium:

From:
http://www.chfpatients.com/stew/minerals.htm#magnesium
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Magnesium and Heart Patients
October, 1993 - Magnesium plays an important role in the cardiovascular system. Too-little magnesium has been linked with heart arrhythmia, increased death rate in CHF patients, and an increased death rate after acute heart attack. The research shows that magnesium supplements in these situations may be good for treating and preventing life-threatening arrhythmias. Magnesium supplements can be given safely either orally or by IV, depending on the situation.

Title: Magnesium in congestive heart failure, acute myocardial infarction and dysrhythmias.
Source: J Cardiovasc Nurs 8 (1): 19-31 (Oct 1993)
PMID: 8106895, MUID: 94149478

Diuretics Deplete Magnesium
July, 1994 - Compared to 31 healthy people of the same age, muscle levels of magnesium and potassium were very low in 76 patients who had been on diuretics for 1 to 17 months. Thirty-six patients with low muscle magnesium levels took magnesium hydroxide pills for 2 to 12 weeks (20 people) or 26 weeks (16 people).
After 2 to 12 weeks, muscle magnesium levels were higher but not back up to normal. After 26 weeks, the muscle levels of magnesium had been brought up to normal in most cases.
Oral magnesium supplements can restore normal magnesium levels in people who are low due to diuretics. However, a patient must take oral magnesium supplements for 6 months before reaching normal levels.

Title: Oral magnesium supplementation to patients receiving diuretics--normalization of magnesium, potassium and sodium, and potassium pumps in the skeletal muscles
Authors: Dorup I, Skajaa K, Thybo NK
Source: Ugeskr Laeger 156 (27): 4007-4010 (Jul 1994)
PMID: 8066894, MUID: 94345886

Digoxin Depletes Magnesium
1991 - Digoxin decreases magnesium in the cells and causes a lot of magnesium loss through the urine. Magnesium levels that are too low caused by diuretic use are very common in people also taking digoxin. Since low magnesium levels can lead to digoxin levels that are too high, both levels should be carefully watched - magnesium and digoxin.
Not only does a low magnesium level contribute to heart arrhythmias, it causes increased sensitivity to digoxin. Low magnesium also interferes with digoxin's ability to control atrial fibrillation.

Sources:
Toffaletti J. Analyt Chem 1991 63(12):192R-194R
al-Ghamdi SM, et al. Am J Kidney Dis 1994 Nov;24(5):737-752
Young IS, et al. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1991 Dec;32(6):717-721
Lewis R, et al. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1991 Feb;31(2):200-203.)

IV Magnesium For Arrhythmia
September 18, 1997 - Low magnesium levels are common in bypass surgery patients and are a risk factor for heart arrhythmia. IV magnesium avoids the side effects of most other drugs and reduces heart rate. The effects of IV magnesium are seen in patients with low magnesium and in those with normal magnesium levels, suggesting that magnesium has a drug-like action.
Magnesium used alone is better than digoxin for controlling ventricular response in a-fib; the two together control heart rate better still. Magnesium is as effective as IV amiodarone in controlling heart rate and it may be better for cardioversion in atrial tachyarrhythmias. IV magnesium has been reported to successfully cardiovert atrial arrhythmia.
There is evidence for using magnesium to prevent atrial arrhythmia after bypass surgery. Dr. Fanning studied a-fib in a trial with 99 patients, and patients receiving magnesium did much better. When patients have new a-fib after bypass surgery, we first look for reversible causes and then use an IV dose of 12 mmol of magnesium over a one hour period, followed by another 60 mmol over a 24 hour period, before we use other anti-arrhythmic drugs.

Source: Letter to the Editor of the New England Journal of Medicine
Title: Magnesium to Fight Arrythmias After Cardiac Surgery
Authors: William J.C. Hobbs, Alan Fitchet, and Lawrence Cotter

Magnesium For CHF
September, 1996 - Electrolyte balance is important to the heart's stability, especially in heart failure. Magnesium is hard to study because it is so hard to accurately measure a person's magnesium level. The magnesium level in your blood represents less than 1% of total body magnesium stores.
Magnesium is important in several enzyme reactions necessary for your heart's stability and proper functioning. Low magnesium level is common and is related to complications of heart failure. Typical CHF therapy (digoxin, diuretics and ACE inhibitors) changes your body's magnesium balance.
Magnesium supplements - both by pill and also in higher prescription doses for serious deficiency - improve blood flow and arrhythmias. Magnesium levels are almost never toxic unless the patient has very poor kidney function.
Proper magnesium levels in heart cells are crucial in maintaining stable heart and electrical function. In heart failure patients, proper magnesium level indicates a better prognosis because they relieve arrhythmias, digitalis poisoning and blood flow problems.

Title: Significance of magnesium in congestive heart failure.
Authors: Douban S, Brodsky MA, Whang DD, Whang R
Source: Am Heart J 1996 Sep;132(3):664-671
PMID: 8800040, UI: 96393253

Low Magnesium and EF
September, 1997 - To see if low magnesium levels contribute to arrhythmias, we measured tissue magnesium levels (among other things) in 40 patients with arrhythmias. Magnesium was measured in sublingual tissue via x-ray. Patients with an EF over 40% had much higher tissue magnesium levels than patients with lower EFs.
Low tissue magnesium levels may indicate high risk for certain arrhythmias, especially in patients with poor left ventricular function. However, moderately low magnesium levels may not matter to those with monomorphic ventricular tachycardia.

Title: Tissue magnesium levels and the arrhythmic substrate in humans.
Authors: Haigney MC, Berger R, Schulman S, Gerstenblith G, Tunin C, Silver B, Silverman HS, Tomaselli G, Calkins H
Source: J Cardiovasc Electrophysiol 1997 Sep;8(9):980-986
PMID: 9300294, UI: 97445409

Low Magnesium and EF
August 30, 1999 - Low levels of magnesium in the blood are linked to higher risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Using 19 years of data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, Dr. Earl Ford analyzed ischemic heart disease deaths in over 12,000 people. He also studied all-cause mortality in 13,000 people. In the 2 groups combined, the number who were hospitalized for ischemic heart disease was 2,637 and the number of patients who died of ischemic heart disease was 1,005.
Dr. Ford found that "low blood magnesium level - independent of other factors - was associated with all-cause mortality and death from ischemic heart disease." People with proper blood magnesium levels "had 21% to 34% less risk of dying from ischemic heart disease." About 23% of patients had too-low levels.
The recommended dietary allowance of magnesium is 350mg for men and 280mg for women, but according to the results of the National Health Survey II, from 1988-1991 the average daily magnesium intake was too low.

Source: Int J Epidemiol 1999;28:645-651

IV Magnesium, CHF and Arrhythmia
June, 1993 - Intravenous magnesium is an effective treatment for certain ventricular tachycardias. In patients with congestive heart failure, low blood magnesium levels are commonly seen in frequent arrhythmias with high death rates. This suggests that giving magnesium may lower the risk of arrhythmia and death in CHF patients.
We studied the effect of IV magnesium on the frequency of ventricular premature depolarizations in 40 CHF patients. These patients were heart class 2 to class 4. Each patient had a 6-hour EKG recorded while engaging in normal activities. The study started within one week of the EKGs. Over a one-hour period, 0.2 mEq/kg of IV magnesium was given. A repeat EKG was then done.
In patients for whom IV magnesium greatly increased their blood magnesium levels, arrhythmias went way down. In patients for whom the IV magnesium caused only a slight increase in blood magnesium levels, arrhythmias were slightly more frequent. In patients who had high arrhythmia levels before the magnesium, treatment reduced their arrhythmia rate by 50%. Overall, there was a 20% decrease of arrhythmias in all patients.

Title: Effects of intravenous magnesium sulfate on arrhythmias in patients with congestive heart failure.
Author: Gottlieb SS, Fisher ML, Pressel MD, Patten RD, Weinberg M, Greenberg N
Source: Am Heart J 1993 Jun;125(6):1645-1650
PMID: 8498307, UI: 93269785

IV Magnesium and Arrhythmia In CHF
February, 1994 - There is a high rate of ventricular arrhythmia and sudden death in patients with heart failure. We studied the immediate effect of IV magnesium chloride on the frequency and severity of arrhythmia in 30 CHF patients. This was a double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover study. The average EF was 23%. No patient had a history of severe arrhythmia and none were taking anti-arrhythmic drugs, calcium channel blockers or beta-blockers.
Patients took either placebo or 0.3 mEq/kg magnesium chloride, given intravenously over 10 minutes, followed by a another IV treatment of 0.08 mEq/kg per hour for 24 hours. Magnesium levels were measured 30 minutes and 24 hours after therapy began.
Compared to placebo, IV magnesium reduced heart rhythym abnormalities per hour by about 50%. It also reduced episodes of ventricular tachycardia per day by about 65%. Intravenous magnesium chloride use reduces the frequency of arrhythmia in CHF patients.

Title: Effect of acute magnesium administration on the frequency of ventricular arrhythmia in patients with heart failure.
Author: Sueta CA, Clarke SW, Dunlap SH, Jensen L, Blauwet MB, Koch G, Patterson JH, Adams KF Jr
Source: Circulation 1994 Feb;89(2):660-666
PMID: 7508827, UI: 94147599

IV Magnesium and Angina
January 5, 2001 - In patients with angina caused by blood vessel spasms, IV magnesium expands the coronary arteries and reduces those spasm, according to a new report.
In 22 patients with vasospastic angina, Dr. Hiroki Teragawa caused such spasms with acetylcholine. In 14 patients - after the spasm had spontaneously stopped - researchers gave IV magnesium sulfate at 0.27 mmol/kg of body weight over 20 minutes. As a control, the other 8 patients received IV placebo (isotonic glucose).
Dr. Teragawa then induced another coronary spasm in the patients and measured the diameter of their coronary arteries. Magnesium dilated the entire coronary artery. During spasm, the severity of chest pain and EKG abnormalities were reduced in the magnesium group. The diameter of the spastic arteries improved from an aveage -63% to -44% during coronary spasm in the patients taking magnesium. Overall, 71% of the magnesium patients responded favorably.
Among control patients during coronary spasm, there were no changes in severity of chest pain, EKG abnormalities, or diameter of the coronary arteries. "These findings suggest that IV magnesium may have a therapeutic use in patients with ischemic heart disease associated with coronary spasm. Long-term oral magnesium supplements might prevent or reduce coronary spasm in patients with this type of angina," Dr. Teragawa concluded.

Source: Chest 2000;118:1690-1695

IV Magnesium and A-fib
January 31, 2001 - Risk of atrial fibrillation - a common complication of CABG - is reduced when magnesium is given.
Dr. Huseyin Alhan studied magnesium's ability to prevent a-fib after bypass surgery. He gave 200 patients having bypass either 1.5 grams of IV magnesium or just a saline solution alone; one day before, during, and 4 days after surgery.
Only 2% of magnesium-treated patients had a-fib after surgery, while 21% of untreated patients had a-fib. "Many studies have shown that magnesium has an effect on a-fib, but the proper dose and when to give it remained unclear," Dr. Alhan said. "We give this therapy to patients with normal as well as low magnesium levels," he stated.
"In the elderly it has been shown that patients may be completely deficient in magnesium but still test normal on blood tests," Dr. Alhan explained. "We are not sure if the benefit is from replenishing a deficiency or if it is just an effect of magnesium."
"Atrial fibrillation is not the most serious complication after heart surgery but it is the most common," Dr. Alhan pointed out. "It has a strong impact on the hospital length of stay and therefore on the cost of heart surgery. The patients who received magnesium in this study went home earlier."

From: The 37th annual meeting of The Society of Thoracic Surgeons
Source: Reuters Health

Electrolyte Levels and CHF
1994 - Thiazides and loop diuretics cause potassium and magnesium loss through the kidneys, which leads to deficiencies that require supplements. These losses may be overlooked because blood levels of both electrolytes may remain normal even when the muscle concentrations are far too low.
We tested 76 patients who had taken diuretics for 1 to 17 years. The average levels K (potasium), MG (magnesium) and niacin "pumps" in skeletal muscle biopsies were greatly lower in these patients than in the biopsies from a healthy control group. Magnesium and potassium levels were related: if one was low, the other was low.
The blood levels though, were only low in a few patients. The fact that MG and K deficiencies are often overlooked shows the need for checking skeletal muscle. A simple biopsy needle procedure detects electrolyte problems even if blood levels seem okay. With this technique we detected build-up of the muscle electrolytes after a MG supplementation period. Oral magnesium supplements can re-establish normal MG as well as potassium levels in patients on long-term diuretic therapy, provided that supplements are taken for 6 months. Restoring muscle MG and K was linked to a restored Niacin level.

Title: Magnesium and potassium deficiency. Its diagnosis, occurrence and treatment in diuretic therapy and its consequences for growth, protein synthesis and growth factors
Author: Dorup I
Source: Acta Physiol Scand Suppl 1994;618:1-55
PMID: 8036903, UI: 94310918
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another brief artice at:
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/bookshelf/Books/10/7.cfm
 
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