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Raverlaw

Hi. I'm new to this board but have already found it incredibly helpful and I plan to check it often.

I've got a congenital heart murmur caused by a stenotic aortic valve. I recently had an ECG and a cath, and the cardiologist says it's past time to get it replaced. I'm *only* 49, and both the cardiologist and the surgeon recommend a St. Jude artificial valve.

My surgery is scheduled for February 20 (at my request - I've got a few things to do before then!) I'm getting a carotid ultrasound in two days and will have the usual pre-op stuff the week before, I guess.

I just found out about all this at Thanksgiving (and yes, I'm very thankful that I changed GPs and actually found out in time). I've had to do a lot of reading and research to become educated on the topic of heart valve disease and replacement, so it has been a bit overwhelming at times.

My family is probably more scared than I am (after all, I've got no choice, according to the cardiologist). I know the surgeon is experienced and that the success rate is high, particulary for *youngsters* like me who are in pretty good health.

I am concerned about post-op recovery and how long I will be unable to do the normal things, like take care of the house and get to work every day. I look forward to getting to know all of you and learning a lot - maybe one day I can be the one dispensing the sage advice... although I don't want to be like some of you with the multiple surgeries!!
 
Welcome, Raverlaw

Welcome, Raverlaw

Glad to have you on the forum. Can always use another attorney (and I wouldn't be so low as to stoop to lawyers jokes).

You're at the right place. There's a thread going right now in "Post surgery" dealing with post-surgical instructions. It's a good start.

There's nowhere else you'll find as good advice or as empathetic individuals as right here.

Lots of folks will be by to welcome you.
 
Welcome to our home

You can plan on being out for anywhere from 6 to 8 weeks. Some people have gone back to work in as little as 5, but I think they're insane. We all are I guess.

One thing that concerns me, your waiting or postponing to do other things first. I don't know how to say this easily, so here it goes. The longer you put this off, the greater the risk of permanent heart damage. It's not something to fool around with if you've been told your past time for surgery. It can make for a very difficult time in recovery as well as be non reversing.

How do you feel about your choice of valves or what you've been told to get?

This is one surgery that you definately do not want to do anymore times then necessary. If you can get away with once, that's super. I wouldn't plan on doing it over and over again. That's not realistic.

Again, welcome aboard and ask away! :)
 
Hey Raverlaw,
Welcome to this Wonderful Site. You will find that there are very caring and knowledgeable people here.

As far as returning to work after surgery I think you will find that everyone heals differently and it depends on what you do in your job. Just remember you don't want to overdue it and your body will let you know when you are.

I hope you stick around the site. Ask all the questions that is what we are here for.

I hope you will have someone that will keep us posted as how you are doing after your surgery.
Take Care and again Welcome!
 
Hi _ I'll add my welcome too. Read all you can on the site, especially in the pre-surgery section and the Coumadin section. Your selection of a mecanical valve means that you will require an anti-coagulant medication, generally called a blood thinner although it has no effect on viscosity. Glad you found out about your problem early and are acting accordingly. The whole thing tends to be a little scary, but take it one step at a time and you'll do just fine. I'd reccommend your wife, too, become a browser of VR.com. They more she reads, the more comfortable she will be will all of this. Oh, by the way, I definately will stoop so low to delight in lawyer jokes. Chris
 
Hi Raverlaw. I am "madbroad" from the other board. Glad you wandered over here.

Cool site, huh? I've learned a lot here, so will you.

My surgery (mitral valve) is in February too, altho' no date set yet. Myaybe we'll be in the hospital at the same time. February is "Heart Month," how coincidental.

About going back to work: The cardiac valve surgery recovery guidelines I got from my cardiologist say: "No work for the first month after surgery; your doctor may allow sedentary work after the first month that requires no physical exertion (i.e., light office work)."

I don't know what kind of law you do. I'm also an attorney altho' not currently practicing, lucky me, I guess. :) When I was working, although it wasn't "physical" it was pretty stressful & also involved a fair amount of running around (sometimes at a fast clip because I always seemed to be having to be in two places at one time) between office and court, or between different courtrooms. Also, you're not supposed to lift more than 10 pounds the first month & I am sure that I often carried more than 10 pounds worth of files! There's also the matter of driving. They don't want you driving the first month (puts stress on the healing sternum) -- they may let you drive after that.
Marge
 
Hi Raverlaw-

And welcome to this terrific site. I come from a family with a lot of attorneys in it, so I won't make any lawyer jokes. But--

I put you on the calendar for your surgery, so that's a binding contract, and you can't weasle out of it "no way".

My husband is one of those who have had multiple surgeries and lots of other things. He's just about gone through the whole Merck Manual all by himself. There are also a few others like him and some with even worse problems, but the bulk of this site is made up of very successful single valve surgeries.

When Joe was in your neck of the woods, age-wise, he had his first valve replacement, an aortic mechanical and did beautifully for many years. He's 72 now and in the last few years has had some major problems, but his problems are from rheumatic fever and it's an ongoing thing for some.

The more posts you can read here, the better, even if it's hard at first. Knowledge is power, and this is one subject in which ignorance is not bliss.

We're here to answer just about any question you might have. We debate and kick things around all the time. It's an continual learning experience for us all.
 
Hi Raverlaw,

I'm 47 and just had my surgery in July. I went back to work at 8 weeks but think I could have comfortably done so at 6 weeks. (If you have the sick and leave time why not use it?)

I just wanted to say "welcome". I don't do too many lawyer jokes. My oldest son is in law school at Arizona State. Browse the forums, you can find answers to almost anything here. You are lucky that you found this before your surgery rather than after like I did.

Heather
 
Raverlaw,

Welcome. For reference, my aortic valve is stenotic and insufficient (leaks backward), I'm 39, and I'm trying to schedule my surgery for February, some time after President's day, so we'll probably be in the hospital around the same time. I've known about mine all my life, and was, until last September, expecting surgery "some time in 3-5 years."

The valve selection advice you gotten from your doctors sounds like what I've gotten from mine. However, remember that the valve selection is initially up to you; you can pick a tissue valve if you don't like the prospect of taking Coumadin for the rest of your life and are willing to consider a second replacement in your lifetime. There are strong opinions on both sides of the Coumadin vs multiple replacements issue (I'm still officially on the fence). Of course, your surgeon may override your initial choice (whatever it is) once he/she gets a look at your heart up close.

There's a great bunch of people here. They've been very friendly, helpfull and supportive. Hopefully I've had the chance to return the favor a bit so far.
 
Wow! -not only do a lot of people participate on these boards, but you all monitor them pretty closely!

I'll try to answer some of the questions in one reply:

I practice real estate and business law, and am a mediator and arbitrator. Most of my work is sedentary, at a desk. My family jokes that the phone is permanently installed on my ear. I use a computer a lot during the day. I do go out to court, depositions, and mediation sessions, and am trying to create at least a thirty day window since I have been told I won't be able to drive for a month post-op. I am hoping to resume the phone and computer work from home as soon as I feel up to it. I'm self employed, so my sick time policy is "If I'm sick, I don't get paid."

The surgeon did say I would not be in danger by waiting until February 20, so long as I take things easy and don't physically exert myself. I've always tried not to let the job stress me out and I handle stress pretty well - BP is good and I sleep like a baby.

I am a little worried about lifetime Coumadin therapy, but way prefer that (I've been to the Warfarin info web site, thanks) to the prospect of even one more surgery. I figure that in my lifetime they'll figure out a more attractive alternative to Coumadin.

To all of you who have already had the surgery, thanks for caring and sharing on this board. To those of you who will be joining me in the CVICU in January or February, it's nice to *meet* you and let's hang in there together!

I look forward to being an active member of this board, although I'm a newbie by most of your standards.
 
P.S.

P.S.

Oh yeah-

And about those attorney jokes some of you have threatened me with - I've heard them all and will award a prize to the first post that contains one I haven't heard before!
 
Just so you know, Coumadin gets a bad rap. It's not nearly as bad as people would have you think. One thing though, the medical community doesn't seem to be up to speed with the latest in Coumadin therapy. They (Most anyway) seem to hold on to old school beliefs and practices, which were quite dangerous when you look at it.

For all your Coumadin concerns, go to www.warfarinfo.com Another member here, Al Lodwick runs his own Anti coagulation clinic and is an expert, runs that site. Tons of information to be viewed and/or bought. ;)
 
Raverlaw, You may be at a disadvantage here in The Waiting Room. I only have long-term lease contracts remaining, so I'll have to get "our" attorney to draft a short-term lease for those of you who check in so close to surgery dates. Whatever happened to guys like Chris (and me) who had long enough lead times to agonize over the whole process and absorb the whole board's content?

Just kidding. . . we're glad you're here with us. Hang around, chat, and ask all the questions you want. I think people here can probably bring more technical and practical knowledge to bear than can the staffs of most of the cardiology practices in town -- after all, they speak from personal experience.
 
Raverlaw wrote:

"The surgeon did say I would not be in danger by waiting until February 20, so long as I take things easy and don't physically exert myself. "

MAYBE YES, MAYBE NO.

Get a copy of your Echocardiogram Report and check to see if you have any ENLARGEMENT or THICKENING. If either of those conditions appear, GO DIRECTLY TO SURGERY, "DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200"

The reason is that once thickening or enlargement has occurred, there could be PERMANENT DAMAGE to your Heart MUSCLE which will limit your capabilities even if the Valve Replacement is successful. There is NO CURE and NO REVERSAL if you wait TOO LONG. Surgeons like to operate BEFORE enlargement occurs. Many Cardiologists still like to postpone surgery as long as possible. I got to surgery 'Just in Time' and side with the surgeons thinking.

'AL'
 
Steve,

February 20 seems like a long way off to me now... how long are you waiting, and why?

Al,
Thanks for the advice and concern. In my case, the cardio said I should have the surgery sooner rather than later, and I at first thought he was measuring my life expectancy in days. When I met with the surgeon on December 17, I asked him (since he's the man) when I should have the surgery. He asked me what I preferred and I told him I'd like to wait until after February 19. He said that wasn't a problem or risk. No one has said anything about thickening (except the valve itself), and the only enlargement is in the aorta (but not to the level of an aneurysm). But since you mentioned it, I will ask. I'm going in to the surgeon's office tomorrow aftenoon for an ultrasound of my carotid artery (they want to measure how big it is) and I will ask him then if there is any reason to move it up.

Now onto the reason for the "delay" - I've got a lot of business to finish up, both so that it doesn't get delayed by my recovery and also just in case I don't come back. On top of that, my wife and I coach the local high school Mock Trial team, and the competition is in February. The final round is February 19 (can you tell we're anticipating being in the finals?) so I want to see that through with the kids ( a great bunch of teenagers who have refreshed my confidence in the future) before I get operated on.

Obviously, if the doctor were to say that I was endangering my health any further by delaying, I wouldn't risk it, but all other things being equal, I don't want to let the kids on the team down or worry them while they're in the midst of the competition.

So, Steve, six weeks in advance seemed like plenty of time to me... I'll have to draw up my own lease, I guess!
 
RE going back to work: witht he type of work you do, you need to be aware of the dreaded condition known as "pumphead". It can affect both memory and concentration. Mostly everyone who's been on a heart-lung machine has it to some degree early on after surgery.

I still had great trouble concentrating for a whole day when I went back to work - at 12 weeks. I've had a touch of aphasia since I had chemo years ago, and that hasn't gotten much worse. What bothered me most when I first returned to work was following conversations - late in the day, I'd hear sounds but there was a delay in putting the words together. It was very odd. You might want to consider being sure that most of your meetings, mediations, etc., take place in the morning for a few weeks. Leave the afternoons for (naps) paper work, research, or whatever. You'll be quite amazed at how tired you get.
 
Bill,
Welcome to our family. As you can tell, the adoption process is very quick - 1 post and you're in!

Don't sweat the Coumadin issue. Ross already mentioned our beloved expert Al Loddwick. Make use of his site. An informed Coumadin user is a safe Coumadin user. Chances are you will be telling the doctors what to do about Coumadin and not vice versa once you get informed. Ross is right, there is so much bad advice out there. Go to www.warfarinfo.com and read read read. You're a lawyer, so it should go fast!

I had mitral valve replacement 12 years ago. I'm (cough) 45 now and Coumadin has not been an issue in my life.

One other cautiously vailed comment. We've had a lot of people get their surgery done and had their surgeon's say after "Boy, your valve was in a lot worse shape than we thought. Good thing we did it now." So please take it easy, and if you begin to feel like your health is declining in anyway prior to your Feb. 20 date - don't wait any longer.

Best wishes,
Karlynn
 
Bill,

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'AL'
 
The New England Journal of Medicine -- August 31, 2000 -- Vol. 343, No. 9


Aortic Stenosis -- Listen to the Patient, Look at the Valve

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Over the past 15 years, the increasing use of echocardiography has dramatically changed our understanding of the prevalence and progression of aortic-valve stenosis. Aortic stenosis may be due to rheumatic disease or to calcification of a congenitally bicuspid or normal trileaflet valve. However, in the United States and Europe, calcific valvular disease is by far the most common cause of aortic stenosis.

We now recognize that calcific valvular disease is not simply a degenerative condition associated with aging but, instead, represents the end stage of an active disease process. In the early stages, the aortic side of the valve contains focal lesions characterized by thickening of the subendothelium and adjacent fibrosa (the central, collagenous layer of the leaflet). These lesions contain low density-lipoprotein, Lp(a) lipoprotein, macrophages, and T lymphocytes. (1,2,3) Areas of microscopic calcification form within regions of lipoprotein accumulation, and some macrophages within lesions produce osteopontin, a protein that modulates tissue calcification. (4)

This stage of the disease process is evident on echocardiography as mild, irregular leaflet thickening without obstruction of ventricular outflow and is termed aortic sclerosis. In population-based studies, the prevalence of aortic sclerosis increases with age; it is present in approximately 25 percent of adults over the age of 65 years. (5,6) As the disease progresses, calcification and fibrosis increase leaflet stiffness and reduce systolic opening, eventually leading to a reduction in the area of the valve and an increase in forward velocity. Clinically significant obstruction of flow through the valve is present in about 1 to 2 percent of adults over the age of 65 years, and it is likely that most of these patients will ultimately have symptoms necessitating valve replacement.

Obstruction of left ventricular outflow results in pressure overload, with compensatory hypertrophy to maintain normal wall stress (stress is directly related to intracavitary pressure and chamber size and inversely related to wall thickness). Unlike the situation in patients with aortic regurgitation, in whom chronic volume overload leads to progressive dilatation and asymptomatic left ventricular dysfunction, systolic function is typically preserved in patients with aortic stenosis. (7) Furthermore, even if the ejection fraction is depressed late in the course of the disease, systolic function improves after valve replacement, thanks to the resultant decrease in afterload. (8) In adults with aortic stenosis, in contrast to those with aortic regurgitation, clinical outcome is most closely related to the presence or absence of symptoms.

Once symptoms occur, the clinical outcome is extremely poor, with two-year survival rates below 50 percent. It is well established that this dismal prognosis can be reversed by valve replacement with acceptable levels of operative mortality and morbidity and postoperative survival similar to that of age-matched normal adults. (9) In adults with symptoms that may be due to aortic stenosis who have a systolic murmur on auscultation, echocardiography is essential to identify those who are likely to benefit from surgical intervention. Although the decision has to be individualized, surgery should be considered even for very elderly persons and those with left ventricular dysfunction, since these groups of patients often benefit substantially from the relief of outflow obstruction. (8,10)

In contrast, adults with asymptomatic aortic stenosis have an excellent clinical prognosis. The condition is often diagnosed in such patients when a systolic murmur is found on physical examination, with a subsequent echocardiogram showing aortic-valve disease. The simplest measure of the extent of stenosis is the forward velocity across the valve. This velocity is about 1.0 m per second in normal valves and increases to 2.5 to 2.9 m per second in cases of mild stenosis, 3.0 to 4.0 m per second in cases of moderate stenosis, and more than 4.0 m per second in cases of severe stenosis. Measurement of the area of the valve is also useful for distinguishing mild disease (with an area above 1.5 cm2), moderate disease (1.0 to 1.5 cm2), and severe disease (less than 1.0 cm2). The average rate of hemodynamic progression of aortic stenosis is characterized by an increase in aortic-jet velocity of 0.3 m per second per year and a decrease in aortic-valve area of 0.1 cm2 per year, but there is wide individual variation in the rate of progression. (11) Interestingly, there also is substantial variation in the degree of stenosis associated with the onset of symptoms; as a result, many asymptomatic patients with hemodynamically severe obstruction are now identified by echocardiography. These patients and their physicians are often uncertain about the expected course of the disease and about whether valve replacement should be considered before symptoms appear.

In this issue of the Journal, Rosenhek and colleagues (12) report on a prospective study conducted to identify predictors of clinical outcome in adults with severe asymptomatic aortic stenosis. In their patients, all of whom had an aortic-jet velocity of more than 4.0 m per second, the proportion in whom symptoms developed approximated that in a previous study from my institution, (11) in which similar groups of patients were compared. In our study, which included patients with a range of degrees of stenosis, from mild to severe, aortic-jet velocity was a strong predictor of outcome; a velocity of more than 4.0 m per second was associated with a mean (±SD) event-free survival of only 21±18 percent at 2 years. (11) In both studies, a faster rate of hemodynamic progression was associated with a higher likelihood of the development of symptoms; in the study by Rosenhek et al., (12) an increase in aortic-jet velocity of at least 0.3 m per second per year identified a high-risk group.

It is noteworthy that the extent of valve calcification was the only independent predictor of clinical outcome in the study by Rosenhek et al. (12) Although aortic-valve calcification was not considered in the study by my colleagues and me, (11) this finding corroborates my clinical experience and is congruent with our understanding of the disease process at the tissue level. The study by Rosenhek et al. included a relatively high percentage of patients with rheumatic disease, and these patients accounted for the bulk of those with only mild calcification of the valve. Despite the association of clinical factors such as hypertension, diabetes, smoking, and hyperlipidemia with calcific aortic-valve disease, (5,13) these factors did not predict either the rate of hemodynamic progression or the clinical outcome in either of these prospective studies. (11,12) One possible explanation is that there were too few patients for an effect to be clearly demonstrated; alternatively, these factors may become less important once leaflet mobility is impaired.

Although some clinicians have suggested that valve replacement be performed in patients with severe aortic stenosis before the onset of symptoms, I agree with Rosenhek et al. that the optimal time for surgical intervention, in nearly all cases, is when symptoms develop. (14) The risk of sudden death in asymptomatic patients appears to be low, probably less than 1 percent per year. This risk is substantially lower than published rates of mortality associated with valve-replacement surgery. Although the hypothesis that earlier intervention will prevent ventricular hypertrophy and diastolic dysfunction is plausible, there are no studies to support this approach, and it is unlikely that the postulated benefits would exceed the risk entailed by earlier surgery and placement of a prosthetic valve. Of course, there are occasional patients with severe aortic stenosis for whom it is appropriate to consider surgery before the onset of symptoms. For example, early surgery is reasonable for patients with severe progressive disease in whom symptoms are expected to develop within the next year and who prefer to schedule surgery at a convenient time -- so long as the patients understand the factors involved in this decision. Other examples include patients who live in areas remote from medical care and cases in which there is a long waiting list for elective surgery.

What are the clinical implications of the recent studies? First, it is critical for primary care physicians to consider the diagnosis of aortic stenosis in evaluating adults with a systolic murmur and symptoms that may be due to outflow obstruction. Instead of the classic end-stage symptoms of angina, heart failure, and syncope, most patients present with milder symptoms earlier in the course of the disease. (11) It is difficult to rule out aortic stenosis completely by auscultation; a very soft (grade 1/6) murmur or a physiologically split second heart sound are the only reasonably reliable indicators of the absence of aortic stenosis. (15) In general, echocardiography can visualize the valvular anatomy and make clear the severity of obstruction. When aortic stenosis is present, the prognosis depends on the extent of calcification of the valve, the base-line flow velocity, and the rate of increase in the aortic-jet velocity over time; periodic echocardiography is therefore appropriate.

Most important, we need to educate patients with aortic stenosis about the expected course of the disease. Once symptoms supervene, prompt valve-replacement surgery is indicated. The lack of a direct relation between hemodynamic severity and clinical outcome emphasizes the importance of obtaining a careful history in order to elicit information about any symptoms each time the patient visits the physician. In this slowly progressive disease, the onset of symptoms can be insidious, and patients may incorrectly ascribe a decrease in exercise tolerance to other causes, such as "getting older" or "the flu," when in fact, it is time for valve replacement.

As always, we need to listen to our patients. We also need to look directly at the valve on the echocardiogram. These two simple approaches are the keys to optimal clinical decision making in the care of adults with valvular aortic stenosis.


Catherine M. Otto, M.D.
University of Washington School of Medicine
Seattle, WA 98195
 
Bill - a couple of points. Georgia's post reminded me that post surgery recovery varies by person. You may be ready to go in a month, or it may take more than that. I know this is hard to factor into your calendar, but thats how it works. Your comment on a replacement for Coumadin was right on target. The drug Xanta is already approved for some type of anticoagulant requirements and is projected to be approved for valve replacements. It will undoubtedly cost more than Coumadin, and will carry a nominal risk of liver damage, but this can be monitored. I'll take up your lawyer joke challenge, but at a later date when you have had a chance to get through all this stuff on valves. Chris
 

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