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Lynne

Does anyone have experience with taking homeopathic remedies while on Coumadin? I'd like to start taking one but want to be sure it won't interfere with the Coumadin. The Technician prescribing it is checking her sources and I plan to have a protime about 3 days after I start but I'd feel better knowing whether or not any of you have had experience with it. Thanks for any input,
Lynne
 
Many things do interact. I'm not so sure checking your INR after 3 days is going to tell you much. You might be better off waiting at least a week. As Nancy said, please give some more info as to what your thinking of taking and we can better address that.
 
The remedy that I want to start is called Fungustat 1. It has ingredients like: Tebebuia Impetiginosa 3x, Echinaciea Angustifolia 3x, Sepia Succus 12x, etc.
I assume these are the fungus "spores" that are causing my problems and their dilution rates. I compared to the interaction page and, of course, found none of them listed. The practitioner that I saw just called back and said that it is ok to take the remedy as homeopathic remedies do not interact with any medicines. It's the herbal remedies that cause problems and she has a list of them in my file.

I think I'll try it. If I hear anything from anyone else I can stop pretty quickly. I also will have the protime done in 3 days to make sure I'm not way out of range.

I still would appreciate any input.
Thanks,
Lynne
 
Lynne,

I'm going to be very kind and say that your homeopath was unclear about what she said to you. Homeopaths absolutely deal in herbs, many of the same ones used by so-called herbalists.

This potion is indeed full of herbs. And other things.

- Tea from the Pau D'Arco or Lapacho Tree (Tebebuia)
- Echinacea is the common coneflower plant
- Sepia is the cuttlefish (not an herb), from which cartilage and ink are used by homeopaths and herbalists

Just out of common knowledge, Echinacea, which bolsters the general immune system by irritating it, is never supposed to be given to someone with a compromised immune system. Lapacho is another immune system irritant, with one of its touted effects being that it is a blood thinner (hmm..taking this with Coumadin?). Cuttlefish is just calamari.

...And you have to wonder what else is in the mix.

To baldly state that concoctions such as these are noninteractive would be irresponsible to say the least. Frankly, I'd dump the homeopathic person before she becomes an unintentionally homicidal person.

That is not a statement that homeopaths are all quacks, but there is a significant amount of flummery in the business end of it, as well as people whose credentials are, well, shaky.

Fortunately, many of these preparations are not well-enough distilled or particularly effective, so they often don't actually wind up doing harm to more than the pocketbook. As a common example, garlic also has blood-thinning properties, but in a small enough amount that all my cardiologists snort at the idea that it affects my blood in any useful way (I don't take warfarin, so check with Al's site to see if garlic is a problem with that).

A negative example is ephedra, which came up recently in relation to another post.

My opinion,
 
From Al's site on garlic -

From:
http://www.warfarinfo.com/garlic.htm
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An 87 year-old male, took 4 cloves/day (2000 mg) of garlic to protect against heart disease; admitted for complete bilateral paralysis of lower extremities, bleeding time was prolonged at 11.5 min (RR 3 min); denied taking any other meds that may have interacted.(1)
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I had just started eating a 1 or 2 cloves of garlic. Now I guess I'll have to rethink that.

One problem is some things that have 'anti-platelet clotting' properties do not prolong the INR but prolong the 'total bleeding time' which as I recall Al explained as having to do with the 'shear' or something when someone bleeds. Most do not measure the TBT time anymore but just the INR.

I've been afraid to take echinacea myself since being on coumadin. I used to take it for colds and had good success with it but haven't taken any since being on coumadin since I've seen sites that said there may be an interaction.
 
Dang!

Er, I mean... Ha! Toldja so!

Thanks for the information, Jim. I hadn't thought of garlic being a non-INR-related anticlotting factor. Which means it wouldn't show up in your INR test, but would be an elephant in the room anytime bleeding was an issue. Not being on ACT, apparently its effects on me are minor.

So, two of the three ingredients named (echinacea and tebebuia) are already linked to possible unhappy Coumadin interactions. And the third is sushi.

There's a trend here. If you wish to stay homeopathic, Lynne, you might consider whether you want to seek a practitioner who is more qualified with these issues than your current person.

Best wishes,
 
Homeopathic drugs are often natural products. However, they are very dilute. It is unlikely that they would interact with anything. If I remember correctly the 3X means that they make tea out of the product. Then they take 1 part of that tea and dilute it with 100 parts of water or alcohol-water mixture. Then they take 1 part of that and dilute it with 100 parts of water (alcohol), then they take 1 part of that and dilute it with 100 parts of water (alcohol). Then you take a few drops of that dissolved in water or something. For a 12 X they repeat this process 12 times instead of 3.

You get an infinitestimal amount of whatever you stated out with.

The theory is that "like cures like" and it is not the drug but the "essence" of the drug that cures you.

The best illustration that I can come up with is that if you put a dirty dish in the dishwasher and run it through 12 times and then scrape the dish and whatever falls off goes into a glass of water and you drink that. The "essence" of the food left on the plate should provide nourishment.
 
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