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Steph

Hi, I am new here, my cardio is requesting a card cath. What is the TEE? I have been told that the cath is to invasive. I have severe regerg of the MV.

I am all mixed up still.......do not know what is going on but I am trying to learn. Thanks for your help.

Stephanie
 
Steph:

A TEE is a transesophageal echocardiogram. It differs from a transthoracic echocardiogram (TTE or "regular" chest echo) in that instead of using the transducer on your chest, a specially designed transducer is sent down your throat. In both instances sound waves are bounced off your heart to produce an image. The TEE provides a better picture because it is closer to the heart and the rib cage and fat layers are not in the way.
 
Steph said:
Hi, I am new here, my cardio is requesting a card cath. What is the TEE? I have been told that the cath is to invasive. I have severe regerg of the MV.

I am all mixed up still.......do not know what is going on but I am trying to learn. Thanks for your help.

Stephanie

Steph, PJmomrunner has answered your question about the TEE but just wanted to say welcome to the forum. How was your severe MR diagnosed - through a normal echocardiogram??? Ask all the questions you can think of - there are many people on here with lots of experience!!
 
Thanks for your reply PJmomrunner, and thank you for the welcome aussiemember! The only tests that I have had to date are normal echo's and stress echos. I failed my last stress echo about a month ago and my cardio was too busy to give me any information about what was going on at the time. He told be that my regerg had reached the severe stage and had his nurse give me a brocure for a cardio cath. Said we would be discussing it when we meet. His first available appt was Sept 20. I have had too much time to wonder what is going to happen. I have asked for copys of my tests and plan to get a second opinion. I am trying to educate myself so that when we meet I can understand what he is saying, and most importantly what it means.

Thanks again for your help and support. Stephanie
 
The Cath

The Cath

Steph the catheterisation or angiogram is usually done by inserting a catheter in a blood vessel in the groin under local anaesthetic and then feeding the catheter up to the heart. The position of the catheter is monitored on screen, you may even be able to view the screen yourself and see the catheter approaching the heart. Dye is then injected and its flow through the heart recorded. You may feel a hot flush when the dye is injected. This is used to determine how well the valves are working and to check for coronary artery disease. The whole thing takes less than 30 minutes you then have to remain in the lying position for several hours until they are sure you are not going to bleed from the insertion point. :)
 
I agree with all of the members who've already replied TEE (or TOE in many other English-speaking countries).

It's less invasive than cardiac catheterization, although some care needs to be taken to avoid damage to the vocal cords. I believe it's more accurate for displaying flow, although an interventional cardiologist might argue otherwise.

However, they usually do one catheterization shortly before surgery, mostly to highlight the rest of the cardiac arteries and to be sure no other heart work is necessary while they're inside. They double-check the valve while they're there, but it's not just for the valve.

My personal opinion is that if the cath is strictly to view the valve, it's not value added, considering the cost and possible (but rare) complications.

However, in a "simple" valve issue of stenosis or regurgitation, a standard echo is sufficient to determine a need for surgery. The more expensive and uncomfortable TEE and catheterization are geared to be useful in more complex situations, or as double-checks for the standard echo.

Best wishes,
 
You found the right place

You found the right place

Steph said:
Thanks for your reply PJmomrunner, and thank you for the welcome aussiemember! The only tests that I have had to date are normal echo's and stress echos. I failed my last stress echo about a month ago and my cardio was too busy to give me any information about what was going on at the time. He told be that my regerg had reached the severe stage and had his nurse give me a brocure for a cardio cath. Said we would be discussing it when we meet. His first available appt was Sept 20. I have had too much time to wonder what is going to happen. I have asked for copys of my tests and plan to get a second opinion. I am trying to educate myself so that when we meet I can understand what he is saying, and most importantly what it means.

Thanks again for your help and support. Stephanie

Nice to meet you Stephanie!
I felt exactly like you - with regard to the level of info given by the doctor. I imagine many here felt the same. You are doing the RIGHT thing by educating yourself. This is a wonderful place to learn, and find where to go to learn. As much as your daoctor may know, he/ she has most likely not experienced this first hand - these guys here are a wealth of experiences and knowledge for those of us in the "waiting room" or just beginning the journey. In the hustle and bustle of doctors and hospitals - you are your best advocate, so gain as much knowledge as you can. This is the best resource I have found - and I am sure others will echo this feeling. Ask away - and good luck!!
 
Welcome Steph

You seem to have gotten your answers on the TEE..but I agree with Tobago..
I wouldnt' be doing the cath until I have met the surgeon and gotten his opinion.
My surgeon didn't even want a cath b/c of my age..and fitness level..he was happy with the TEE results.

sounds like maybe you need to ask your cardio to give you a referal to a surgeon..and then do your homework and get second/third opinions if you need to.

I don't know your age or fitness level or if you have other health issues..but itsounds like it woudl be time to seek out a surgeon's opinion.

Once the MV has reached the severe leaking stage..it truly is time to meet with a surgeon.. You would want to repair/replace it before the rest of your heart becomes involved.

Keep asking questions..this is the best site for answers.. so much wisdom here..and Tons of experience!
 
Hi Steph. Sometimes with mitral valve disease a cardio may want to do some additional steps while doing a heart cath. There is what is called a right heart cath that may be added to the routine heart cath. During the right heart cath direct pressures can be taken in different chambers and that information used in creating an overall picture of how your heart is doing when he adds it to the information about your coronary arteries.

I know you have so much information coming at you right now but soon it will all start to make sense. One of the most important things you could be doing now is to start a personal medical file. Request copies of past echo reports and keep them handy. Any new information you obtain add it to the file. Before long much of the information on the reports will make sense to you and an understanding of what is happening to your heart will make you make informed decisions regarding your healthcare. It is your responsibility to be an active member of that team. We are all here to help you in this process. Again, welcome. You have this condition and you might as well make the best of it.
 
I can only give you my own personal experiences with these tests!
I was diagnosed with congestive heart failure and severe mitral regurgitation via an echocardiogram in the fall of 2003. My cardiologist referred me for a cardiac catheritization.
The echo showed the valve problem clearly enough, but one reason the cardio wanted the cath was to see if there was anything else going on. Cardiac cath is, I was told, the best way to find out if you have anything like blocked arteries. I asked if there was anything less invasive that I could do instead. I was told there are, but that for what my cardio wanted to know, there is nothing as good.
Luckily, my arteries turned out to be (in the words of the cath doctor), "pristine." Which was very good to know when I went in for the mitral valve surgery!
Don't be too worried about the cardiac cath procedure. I was really freaked ahead of time by having to go in for it, but it turned out to be a really easy test for me and I think for most people. The only thing I ever felt was the prick of the needle with the local anesthetic; after that you really feel nothing. You are usually well tranquillized but they don't want you unconscious. I was really scared & asked for more tranquillizer and they obliged.
The worst part of the procedure itself, for me, is that the cath lab where they actually do the procedure is kept VERY COLD. They'll give you a blanket but be sure to remind them! The worst part after the procedure is that you usually have to lie on your back (with a weight on your groin area to avoid bleeding) for some time. (I had to stay six hours.) You can't sit up so you can't read; so take an iPod or something so you have something to listen to. If you get really antsy during that time, and the tranks from the procedure wear off, they'll probably give you more if you ask, so you can sleep. (If you can sleep on your back, which I have trouble doing.)
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About the TEE: I didn't have a TEE before the surgery. Or rather, I know I had one but it was when I was already anesthetized for the surgery, so I didn't know about it.
I did have one when I was conscious, but that was several months after the surgery, during one of my check ups. I say "conscious," but not really. When you go in, the first thing they do is to give you a sedative intravenously. By the time you get to the TEE lab you are pretty close to comatose! They spray your throat with a substance to prevent the gag reflex and then they stick a tube down your throat. Sounds awful but by then you are so numbed with the sedative and the anti-gag-reflex spray that you absolutely don't mind anything. The only bad part is a few seconds while they are spraying your throat -- what they use tastes pretty bad. The sedative they use (I have forgotten what it's called) also has an amnesiac effect, so you don't remember too much later. Afterwards you aren't supposed to eat or drink for at least two hours, until the anti-gag-reflex stuff wears off.
 
Welcome

Welcome

Regarding the cath, I've had two and neither were a big deal at all. The first was when I was about 13, in 1976, and the last was about a month ago. My cardiologist ordered both and I only spoke with a surgeon after this last one.

I remember watching the monitor both times. It's been positioned in a way that's made it easy to see. For me, it was fascinating to watch the heart operating and see the actual regurgitation. I couldn't believe how much blood was flowing back into that ticker with every beat! Now I know why I'm so out of breath at the top of a flight of stairs!

For me, the only unpleasant thing about the cath was the amount of pressure they put on my femoral artery afterwards, in order to get the bleeding stopped real good. No stitches necessary this time, althought I *might* have had one when in 1976... I don't remember.

After this last one, once they took off the direct pressure and put a bandage on me I felt fine and immediately downed three Chic-fil-a sandwiches (yes, fried... they said my coronaries were clean so what the hell...) and went to sleep.

You'll do fine with it and learn a lot.
 
A cath isn't a terrible thing. Obviously I had to have one, as did almost everyone here who's had surgery already. But a TEE shows the valve itself as well as a cath does, and you'll have to have a cath shortly before surgery anyway.

If he's not planning for you to go in very soon, and not planning to count this cath as the one for the surgery, I would ask for the TEE instead. Otherwise, you'll have two caths. No reason to have more than are necessary. Just my bias.

If he'll accept it as the presurgical cath, then go ahead. As I said, you will have to have one before surgery anyway. The cath's advantage is its illumination of the coronary arteries, to determine if anything needs to be done with them while they're already inside.

Best wishes,
 
All I can say is THANK YOU! Everyone has been so helpful. I had so much fear and anxiety before I found this forum. I feal so much better after talking to people that have "been there done that"!! I think I am much more prepared to meet, on the 20th, with my cardio. With luck I will have a much bether understanding of how "I" want to proceed with my health care. Don't get me wrong, I respect my DR and will listen to him. The only difference is that I will be able to be a participant in the conversation and not just listen to what he has to say.

Again, thank you everyone for your input!! I feel blessed to have found this place.
Stephanie
 
Steph,

Maybe I'm a little hardcore but if I had a cardiologist who is too busy to explain to me what is going on in a "failed" stress test I would relieve his schedule a bit. So maybe you don't ditch him outright but I would recommend that you at least get a second opinion from a doctor who will spend what you define as adequate time with you explaining the concerns, issues, whatever... and answering your questions as well as giving you answers to the questions you should be asking but don't know enough to ask.

Even if he does give you good time on the next visit. I would still recommend a second opinion. Medicine is formed of much opinion and some facts. Different docs have different backgrounds, ideas, education, and concern for patients. Get a second opinion (after you have the first) and see if they agree. If they don't - then get a third opinion. Get a fourth if you feel it necessary.

I would think TEE is the next logical step. Unless they are rushing you to surgery it is less invasive, gives a pretty good picture, and insurance should pay. It doesn't let them check for coronary artery disease but that can come later.

Welcome BTW. Sorry you have to be here but glad you found us.

David
 
Just another thought. When I had my cath. last month, my Dr. used an angioseal after my procedure which seals off the artery with one disolving suture, and I was on my way home within an hour. None of the pressure on the groin or lying still for 4+ hours. I have to carry an ID card for 6 mo. that says it's been done so it wouldn't be repeated in an emergency. I didn't even have a tiny bruise at the incision site.

Good luck sorting through all this info.!
 

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