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Marguerite53

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Hello! My name is Marguerite and I live in Oregon. I've been visiting from the outside for about a month and thought it was time to jump in. This is an amazing place. You have already helped me more than can be measured.
I was diagnosed with an aortic bicuspid valve in my late 20's and told I'd probably make it to my 70's without complication. Well, I'm now 50 and while I'm planning to make it to 70, it looks like I'll be doing it with a new valve.
In September, we moved from our home of 15 years (just locally, a downsize, 2 in college, 3rd a HS jr.). Simultaneously I was closing out my father's sprawling home to move him safely to a continuing care facility. Just after the double move (4 days apart, my stupid choice) I realized I was really huffing and puffing by the top of the stairs. A little bell went off in my head and I remembered my very first cardiologist saying "come in for an echo if you start feeling unusually winded". I was hoping that I was just in a self-designed state of exhaustion, but no. It seems that I have moderate aortic stenosis and probably need of an AVR in 1 to 3 years. (this after a fresh echo and nuclear stress test)
I got a copy of my second echo (unchanged from first). It states that mild concentric left ventricular hypertrophy is present. There are other numbers and measurements which I do not understand very well either. So I made an appointment to ask the cardiologist some questions, but came away with the same empty feeling as I'd had after the first visit. I did question the "heavily calcified with restriction in leaflet mobility" thinking it might mean I should reduce my calcium intake. He seemed more concerned about my weight and cholesterol (neither being perfect or way out of line) and seemed to suggest that my symptoms might be due to being out of shape. My PCP didn't think so. She commented to me that I would probably need the AVR within a year since there is some minor muscle damage already signaling a need. She is quite young and brilliant, I think, and later confided that the cardiologist scolded her about her assessment because it was not in her domain to judge.
So, my husband suggested a second opinion. I go in to see a female cardiologist of local fame on May 24. I am really looking forward to this and am hoping you can help me figure out what I need to ask her. She is already different in that she calls for a chest x-ray before the first visit.
While I'm sure that I'll be nervous when the time comes for surgery, at this point I'm more caught up in the "why can't we get it done yesterday" mentality. I don't want my impatience to cloud my thinking so any 20/20 hindsight would be greatly appreciated. Also, at this point I'm leaning away from the mechanical valve/coumadin and am anxious to talk to a doctor about the tissue choices. At what point did any of you first speak to a surgeon?
Ok! I'll let you go for now. Thank you for mulling through this long introduction! Your opinions and advice will be greatly appreciated.
Marguerite
 
Hi Marguerite-

Welcome to the site. It's a wonderful place and as you've found, loads of information.

It sounds as if you're being proactive with your care. That's wonderful. I hope all your expectations for the new doc work out well.

Take care,
 
Hey, Marguerite- Welcome to VR. There are many members, as you have already discovered, who will help you out with all the questions your cardiologist can handle and then some. They'll be along soon......Ann
 
Hey Marguerite,
Welcome to this Great Site. As you have found my reading in the background the people here are so wonderful, helpful, and knowledgeable.
It sounds like you have taken charge of your health care, which is very good.
Glad you have joined us and after reading your post I know you are ready to help others. Keep us posted.
Take Care
 
Hi, Marguerite! Welcome to our little community.

Like you, I had a bi-cuspid aortic valve. I will be 50 come August. Last October, I went in for a complete physical and mentioned to my PCP that I had been getting unusally winded upon exertion and had tingling in my left shoulder and arm when I exerted myself. He sent me for my first ever stress echo, which showed the valve was heavily calcified and stenotic, with little flap movement. That was confirmed with an angiogram in December, and I had my valve replaced February 20 of this year with a St. Judes mechanical.

You are correct to be concerned about being winded, and should definitely get a second opinion. In general, if your valve area calculates to 1cm or less, it is time to operate. You may also want to consult with a surgeon before making a decision to operate or not; but be aware that waiting can lead to enlargement of the left ventrical and permanent damage.

If you've seen my other posts you know that my surgery went extremely well and I've recovered quickly. I feel better than I ever have and life looks pretty wonderful from this side of the mountain.

I'm glad you've joined up with us; we have several members who live in your neck of the woods and who will undoubtedly chime in soon.

Keep in touch and be sure to use the 'search' function to access all of the wonderful resources here.
 
I go along with your PCP. I think she's quite brilliant, too, and you should definitely hang on to her. I think the cardiologist should get over himself, and should think much harder before he chides. A second opinion is an astute path choice.

Valve disorders are not caused by cholesterol. Weight, general fitness and blockages are certainly factors in affecting symptoms like shortness of breath (SOB) and angina. However, what you mentioned from the report on your valve does indicate that it could well be causing these symptoms on its own. Moderate aortic stenosis (AS) can definitely cause symptoms, especially during prolonged physical activity (like moving two households).

As far as your echo report:

Look for a mention of "valve opening" for your aortic valve. That is one of the key measurements a surgeon will look at. When it goes to 1cm² or less, the surgeon will be all ears. Also the peak and mean aortic gradients (measured in mmHg), which is the pressure of the blood passing through the valve. Normal mean is 5-10 mmHg. Severe mean begins at about 50mmHg. If you feel like it, please post those numbers for us.

Also look for notes that would indicate aortic insufficiency (AI) or aortic regurgitation. AI means that each pump of the heart does not send enough blood to fully engorge the aorta. The regurgitation means that, after blood is pumped into the aorta, some of it leaks back, due to calcified encrustations blocking the valve from closing completely. Both of these are common for valve conditions, and the interest level has to do with the adjectives that are used with them (mild, moderate, or severe).

Another key indicator is the "mild concentric left ventricular hypertrophy," which means that your heart muscle is enlarging from having to work harder to pump blood through your restricted valve. The "normal" LV range is 3.5-5.7 cm, but you can be enlarged if you start out at 4.0 and grow to 5.7.

The most telling, though, is probably the statement, "heavily calcified with restriction in leaflet mobility." That will continue to affect the size of your heart muscle and the workings of the other valves. When the leaflets become inflexible, replacement is a matter of time.

I can't guess about the timing for surgery, because even a guess takes more information (or a better set of Tarot cards than I own). I had some of what you show several years before surgery. But I had no symptoms then, and everyone is different.

As far as your impatience: don't rush to surgery. The ideal is to stay on your own valve as long as you can, but do have the valve replaced before it does permanent damage to your heart. That takes some teamwork.

Look for facilities where the surgery might best be done, and surgeons who have lots of experience. I wouldn't talk to the surgeon until shortly before you need him/her. You will also need a cardiac catheterization or an MRI to determine more precisely where your valve stands, and to view your cornary arteries (angiogram) for blockages that would be corrected during the surgery.

There are many posts in the Valve Selection forum that can help with valve choice. Of the tissue valves, the most advanced and desired ones I am aware of currently are the Medtronics Mosaic (actual porcine valve) and the Carpentier Edwards Perimount Magna (valve manufactured from bovine pericardium). Medtronics = www.medtronics.com and Carpentier Edwards (a.k.a. Edwards Life Sciences) = www.edwards.com. Actual valve specs are found in the "medical professionals" areas, and platitudes are located in the "patients" areas. Again, check or search the Valve Selection forum for mentions of them.

As you have already noted, there are many people here who can help you in diverse ways, including with coping. Read lots of posts, because there are many experiences and differing opinions here that can be of value to you.

Best wishes,
 
Hello! I'm "new in town"

Hello! I'm "new in town"

All great advice from Tabago. Don't be in a hurry for the surgery - the best thing about having time to wait is also having time to research all aspects of the surgery, surgeon and hospital choice, etc. and become a really informed patient. This is one of the best sites for information and support. Also try the Cleveland Clinic and Brigham and Woman websites. My husband and I had a year to research before his aortic valve replacement and after a year of reading everything we could get our hands on, we knew that he wanted minimally invasive surgery and an Edwards Magna Perimount valve if possible. We then got two opinions from cardiologists and surgeons before settling on Dr. Lawrence Cohn at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.
Thanks to Tobago, you are armed with all the right questions - best of luck!
 
Marguerite -
one of the best things i have learned from this site is to request copies of all test results. Having the tests in front of you, you can research terminology etc. Being informed and educated on your current status is a great asset. With a clearer understanding of your condition you can ask the right questions and know if you are getting direct answers.

Welcome to the site.... :)
 
Welcome Marguerite

This is a great place with more knowledge than you'll see in any one spot and years of experience.

I'm Evelyn whose husband, Tyce, had AVR almost two years ago at St. Francis in Long Island. I was the wreck---he the calm, quiet, ready one. This site and our friends here at vr.com helped me get through his surgery and helped us both gain tons of knowledge.

Tyce knew he had stenosis, was regularly checked, and was told by his cardio that he was doing fine and he should wait about 1-3 years for surgery. Then he started having trouble sleeping---very unlike him. No sob, nothing, just difficulty sleeping. Long story short, it turned out that he was in afib, hospitalized and surgery was scheduled for about 3-4 weeks later. We have learned that if something is amiss, it usually means something is wrong and not to wait. He had no other symptoms and had no clue he was in afib....just had trouble sleeping.

I guess the best advice I can tell you is, "Don't panic, but don't wait too long, either." You definitely don't want the heart to enlarge too much. Tyce got the mechanical valve and the coumadin has not been an issue with us. We have a home testing machine.....Coaguchek....which we use faithfully weekly and self-adjust his dosage. He does everything he did prior to surgery and has never looked back. Actually, I know he's happy with the St. Jude's valve because he said he would never want to go through the surgery again---and he didn't have any complications.

Anyway, WELCOME HOME. We're here whenever. To know us is to love us.

Evelyn
 
Hi, Marguerite, and welcome to The Waiting Room -- the place where many of us await our future surgeries. You've already been given some priceless advice from people who've "been there, done that, got the scars. . . " In that respect there's not much I can add.

What I can add, though, is that although there are "signpost" numbers used to classify the severity of our individual conditions, the primary indicator is the onset of symptoms, of which your shortness of breath is one of the most common. There are many variables that enable one person with a specific valve opening to have no symptoms (asymptomatic) while another person with the exact same valve opening has unbearable symptoms. You'll have to let your own body tell you when it is time to press onward.

On the other hand, unless there are enough documentable symptoms and test results, most surgeons will not proceed with surgery "just because you want to get it over with." They go through a sort of mathematical analysis, comparing your probability of survival with and without surgery. Then, when the probability shifts to better with surgery than without, they will recommend moving ahead. I'd stay well in contact with that PCP, and use her as an advocate as well.

Sounds like you have things under control for the present. See what the next opinion tells you, then if you feel comfortable doing so, come on back and discuss it with the rest of the gang.

Welcome, and visit a lot!
 
Wow! Thanks to everyone for your quick responses.
Steve - was just reading your intro thread (after a search for BAV) and am delighted at the tone of your current mood. Being in the same boat, I really appreciate your words.
Bob H - You just dial right in to where people need to think!! Wonderful information. Thank you. I would love any and all feedback regarding my echo report. In the hopes that it might further other visitors' knowledge, I'm posting it on a new thread rather than burying it here. I'll call it "my echo report 2/04". I think I'll call and have my stress test faxed over to me. The thing I recall about that is that I got to wherever I was going pretty fast. Not great, I don't think. Anyway, thank you, Bob.
Evelyn - Thank you. I'm now looking around for the meaning of afib
Bethanne, Phyllis, Dave, Hensylee and Nancy - thank you for the welcome. I have told only my immediate family and have "known" since September so I've really just been hungering for feedback and support. I know I've come to the right place.
Bill - During my household moves I got all tingly and constant deep pain in my left arm. I freaked. But for me that turned out to be a near blown disc in my neck. I had to stop carrying boxes of books and record albums (we're old rock 'n' roll freaks). I think it was a warning from Mother Nature to slow down!
Thanks again to everyone.
Marguerite
 
Welcome Marguerite,

I'm glad you found us as this is where you belong! :)

I was in a situation not very unsimilar to yours last year. The issues were different with my heart valves but I ended picking my surgeon ...who I researched as being a true expert in my condition.... and called his office for an appointment. I had some records sent and hand carried others.

I felt myself becoming more short of breath and fatigued almost on a daily basis and needed some definitive answers. Surgeons tend to want to fix the problem while the heart is still healthy enough to have a chance for an excellent outcome. Cardiologist tend to hang on to medical treatment until the only option left is surgery. Many on this board feel that they waited too long and don't have the results they might have had if there had been an earlier surgical intervention.

There are many choices available. You might check to see if your insurance will cover a self-referral to a surgeon.

Cleveland Clinic also has an on-line consult available. I think when I checked into it it was about $550 but that was quite a while back. I'm sure the information is on there website though.
 
Welcome to our world Marguerite!

You have a SHARP and observant PCP! Hang onto her.

IMHO, EITHER reduced Aortic Valve Area (<0.8 cm sq) OR heart ENLARGEMENT are signs that it is time to have surgery. It is certainly time for a SURGEON to weigh in on WHEN to have surgery, as most surgeons prefer (understandably!) to operate BEFORE there is PERMANENT HEART MUSCLE DAMAGE due to thickening of the walls / muscles and / or ENLARGEMENT. Too many Cardiologists seem to have the philosophy that it is best to keep your natural valve until the 'last minute'. SEVERAL VR.com members have suffered PERMANENT damage to their heart muscles by waiting until the 'last minute' at the behest of their Cardiologists.

Bottom Line: A second opinion is probably your next best step, preferably from a Cardiothorasic Surgeon.

'AL'
 
Betty - That's interesting info about getting a self-referral to a surgeoun. I'll see how I feel with this new cardiologist. I think Portland Metro hospitals, the big ones, have excellent heart centers and this cardio is at one of those. I think if I were in NC I'd want to be at Duke for sure! I will keep your suggestions handy, thank you!
Al - yes, after some of these posts, I may well brave a strong request that this new cardiologist direct me to a surgeon. Thank you!
 
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