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gijanet

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Wasn't quite sure what forum to put this one in. We really need one called the "Land of Limbo." :D Thank you guys again so much for the prayers and for worrying about us. They are so appreciated - and they were answered, but I guess I should have been a little more specific than just asking that Katie's ventricles not show signs of weakening and for another month or two before surgery. Because that IS the good news.

Thankfully, we are not in crisis mode, so we do get another month or two...........maybe three, but surgery is pretty much a definite after that. Dunno if you guys remember, but last visit in November, Katie's valve leak looked slightly better and was categorized at a 2+, so I started getting my hopes up that this was a new trend and it would continue to get better. Well, sad to say, today's echo put it back at a full 3, bordering on 3+. I know that echoes are not always the final word in accuracy, but I saw it for myself. There is an awful lot of both blue and red blood sliding back through that valve. Even though the fontan will put a halt to the blue blood in Katie's heart, it will not do a darn thing about the amount of blood regurgitating back through, even if it is all red at that point. More bad news: Katie is starting to show signs of clubbing in her fingers - just categorized at a 1+, but this is the first time she has ever exhibited this, so this was a bit of a blow. I've been thinking her fingers looked a little more blue - guess it wasn't my imagination.

The good news: Katie's oxygen sat readings were at 79 (taken on her left hand) and 83 (taken on her right foot)...........pretty much the norm for us. Her blood pressure looked good: 97/63 , and her ventricles are not significantly enlarged, thus no visible signs of weakening.

Sooooooooooo, while this was not totally unexpected news, it was still very unwelcome for the most part. The game plan now: Dr. W (our PC) will contact Dr. Bove (our surgeon in Michigan) and send him all the latest data and echo. Dr. Bove then reviews it and contacts our PC. Our PC then, in turn, relays all of this to us. This usually takes three to four weeks because of all their professional courtesy protocols. After three weeks, I usually grow impatient and e-mail Dr. Bove to get it straight from the horse's mouth; thus, when our PC calls, I already know what he is going to tell me.

Our PC hates to speak for Dr. Bove, but we always push him for his thoughts anyway. He doesn't think that Dr. Bove is going to allow us to go much past another two or three months. He thinks that Dr. Bove will most likely want to do another TEE, a 3-D echo, yet another dreaded cath (her groin was assaulted last time before they finally conceded and went in through the neck), and then a valve replacement with the extracardiac fontan. UGH! UGH! UGH! You would really think that after three surgeries this would get easier, but it doesn't, I'm here to tell you!

We received one more blow today - one I was totally unprepared for. Our beloved PC - the one who has been with Katie since birth and knows her heart and unusual plumbing better than anyone else - the one who always returns my calls, even if it is 6:30 at night from his cell phone while he is driving home from the hospital - is leaving Cook Children's and moving to Columbia, South Carolina. What a blow! We all were in tears when he told us. He wanted to tell us personally rather than our finding out through the gossip mill or from a hospital letter. It is a good move for him, but, oh, what a loss for both Cook's and us. It won't happen until this summer, so, as long as we have to go through with this blasted surgery, I am hoping that he will be here to see us through our local post-op care as he has three times before. WAH!

Well, that's about all the news for now - both bad and good. Katie was good as gold during the visit, and, as usual, was quite the little ham and manipulator. Katie entertained the entire office and sang the Sponge Bob theme song as well as the Sponge Bob Christmas song and bowed several times after her performance. She conned the echo tech and nurses out of 4 lollipops and 12 stickers. One of the nurses even opened a new box of stickers looking for Sponge Bob......................sigh! She is going to make a great politician, salesman, or actress some day.

Anyway, sorry for the book. Thanks for reading and thanks again so much for the prayers. I guess we will continue to need them for a tad bit longer. Hugs to all. J.
 
Janet,
I am sending hugs and prayers your way. I never know whether a child, being so great about such things, is easier or more painful. They seem to have so much more wisdom about problems than adults. What a blessing Katie seems to be.
I am happy for you that you have a couple of months to prepare. You know our thoughts and good wishes will follow you and Katie (and your family) through all of this.
 
so sorry

so sorry

Hi Janet,
my heartfelt thoughts go out to you and your family right now. Katie (and you) have been through so much already...life's just not fair sometimes. Add me to your list of prayer supporters, I'll be looking out for your posts,
take care,
Yolanda (Chris' wife)
 
Hi Janet...

Hi Janet...

I am aweful sorry to hear about Katie...I hope that after this "Blasted Surgery" that she will be in the best health ever....You and Katie are in my thoughts and prayers... I wanted to ask you though, you mentioned that they noticed "clubbing" in Katies fingers...What Is that? And You also said something about her hands/fingers turning blue...mine have been doing that as well...could that be from the lack of oxygen? I just thought I would ask seeings how you found out about this from Katie's doc, as my fingers have swollen and turned bluish, and I was wondering what it was...I don't mean to ask at a time like this, but I just thought if it were fresh in your mind, that it might help me understand what's going on with me...Thanks for the help and as always, stay strong, stay well, and your in my prayers and thoughts as always. Harrybaby666 :D :D :D
 
Thank you all so much.............

Thank you all so much.............

I tell you, I can really use those hugs tonight. I hate getting broadsided and rearended at the same time...........too much in one day, for sure. At least we aren't in the crisis mode..............just my personal meltdown. Anyway, thank you guys again. We'll take all the supporters and prayers we can get. They have sustained us this far - that, and Katie's amazing spirit!

And, Harry, I don't mind a bit. Please keep in mind that I am in no way - shape or form, a medical expert. I just think that parents of CHD kids have been better educated as to the signs of congestive heart failure: sweating, fatigue, failure to thrive, increased heart rate, shortness of breath, clubbing and/or cyanosis. Yes, a blue tint is a sign of decreased oxygen levels in the blood, whether it is due to heart or lung issues. Whenever Katie is exhausted, ill, or borderline dehydrated, she gets smurfier than usual, especially around her mouth, her lips, and her fingers and toes. Do you know what your oxygen saturation levels are in your blood? Katie's norm is 77-83%. When she is ill, it can drop down to around 70-72. Here is a link:

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As for clubbing (although Katie's is not nearly as drastic as this sounds, but she has a very mild "case" right now):


Clubbing: An abnormality where the ends of the fingers and toes enlarge and bend inward; often it is related to an inadequate oxygen-rich blood supply, however it can be hereditary and completely normal. Often seen with congenital heart defects, but also seen in other conditions.

Clubbing:

Clubbing is a condition in which the ends of the fingers and toes swell and the nails bulge outward. The nails wrap around the fingers or toes and look raised, curved, and shiny.

Clubbing occurs more frequently in children born with heart defects and people with chronic heart, lung, liver, or thyroid disease; however, simple hereditary clubbing can occur without underlying heart or lung problems.

Hope this helps and I do hope you get someone to give you some real answers soon. Hugs. J.
 
Thanks Janet...What A Help...

Thanks Janet...What A Help...

Thank you for the information...I am wondering now if I should ask the pulmonologist about getting me an oxygen sensor to monitor my levels at home...My fingers are tinted blue, but not too bad right now, and so far, just my index fingers are starting to bend in towards the next finger...I am wondering though if this could be the arthritis doing this...anyway, thanks for the tips, and I will at least mention it to my docs. I have had lung trouble since birth, so it wouldn't surprise me if my Oxygen level has dropped. Thanks Again...Harrybaby666 :D :D :D
 
Dear Janet - I have followed little Katie's thread from the first. It is so hard when it's a little one. She has such spirit and seems to bear her situation with the grace of a grown-up. Bless her - and all of you. Please know that we send special prayers for Katie. Being mom and having a child who is ill is so hard - all of us know that, don't we? Our babies aren't supposed to be ill. Please come in, as you are doing, when you just want to talk - that's what we are here for. Blessings.......
 
Ross said:
So Katie and I can be proud of our clubbing? I know, not funny. I'm all clubbed up too. :(

Me too! :rolleyes:

Janet, as always, you know I'm praying.

I know the feeling of really liking a doctor and finding out they are leaving... As a matter of fact, the ACHD doc I started seeing in September... :( That can be such a bummer. But if you need a recommendation for a GREAT PC once yours is gone, let me know. I love mine. :D

Let me know if there's anything I can do.
 
Hi Janet-

Sorry to hear all the recent news. Your little family sure has a full plate. You'll all be in my thoughts and prayers.
 
Hi Janet,

Well, these are times when you know we have really become a family: we laugh together and cry together. Thanks for letting us know the results so soon. You are always in my heart and prayers.
 
Janet, sending you big, big hugs. Katie, you and your family will remain in my prayers. Just can't get that little face poking through the flower (avatar) out of my head.

Stay strong and keep posting books - I love to read. :eek:

Where in Michigan is Dr. Bove?

((((((more hugs)))))))
 
Janet,
All our love and best wishes to Katie and we will be thinking of you and yours in the months ahead and wishing you strength to carry on and the best of results for Katie. We look forward to seeing her name on a national ticket or the stage some day! :)
 
Janet,
I'm new to the group. My heart goes out to you and Katie. I'm a grandpa and very much love my grandchildren. Also will stop and look at brag photos of other folks grandchildren, and try to encourage young parents to make raising their children a first priority. I wish I could meet Katie.

I too will be praying for you. I like betty's advice:
John 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Even though things may look dark to you--you are not alone. I've believed in God for years, but CHF and valve replacement surgery sure boosted my faith and increased my prayer life.
Jim
 
gijanet said:
Clubbing: An abnormality where the ends of the fingers and toes enlarge and bend inward; often it is related to an inadequate oxygen-rich blood supply, however it can be hereditary and completely normal. Often seen with congenital heart defects, but also seen in other conditions.

*dons humoristic cap*

Or, an alternative definition might be...

Clubbing: Pronounced "clubbin'". To party hearty all night long and wake up in the morning wondering what you are doing with a room full of friends and wondering just where the heck you put your car keys...and wondering if you even still have a car.

*chuckles*

Good or bad, I don't have that type of experience first hand...I only live vicariously through others ;).

*becomes more serious*

Janet, so sorry to hear that you are losing your favorite PC. And, as always, thoughts/prayers coming your way.

In the meantime, it's good that Katie hasn't lost her touch ;).


Cort, "Mr MC" / "Mr Road Trip", 31swm/pig valve/pacemaker
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Poor choice of clubs...............sigh!

Poor choice of clubs...............sigh!

Ross said:
So Katie and I can be proud of our clubbing? I know, not funny. I'm all clubbed up too. :(

While I would certainly hope that you guys choose another club, at least she is in good company with you and Niki. Must be a pretty exclusive membership! Hugs. J.

P.S. Cort, yeah, that was my definition of clubbin' many moons ago - back in my blissfully ignorant days. Thanks for the kind words, and, yes, Katie is true to form. :D J.
 
Well, I hate to keep sounding like a broken record.......

Well, I hate to keep sounding like a broken record.......

but, again, thank you guys so much for the kind words and prayers. Your support makes this news just a little easier to accept. While I was secretly hoping that we could ride with this valve another year or two (or twenty!), it looks like that is just not in the cards, and we have to play the hand we are dealt. Sure would like to request a new deal, though. :D In hindsight, I think the improvement in Katie's valve regurgitation at the previous checkup was God's way of letting us enjoy the holidays without constant worry; now, it's back to reality and time to pay the piper..............geez! I'm just one big cliche this AM. Hugs to you all and my sincere thanks. J.

P.S. Karlyn, I had to laugh at Katie in the flower. I couldn't figure out what you were talking about until the avatar part sunk in. It does kind of look like a flower. But that is really a standup cut-out of Boots, the monkey, from Dora the Explorer Live! :D Thanks, too, for always keeping us in your prayers.
 
gijanet said:
P.S. Cort, yeah, that was my definition of clubbin' many moons ago - back in my blissfully ignorant days. Thanks for the kind words, and, yes, Katie is true to form. :D J.

LOL! See...I knew that definition would come in handy :).

And, you are very welcome. I hope I provide some "comical relief" for you :).
 
Hi Janet, what sort of results are expected from the replacement? Does this mean Katie will be able to avoid more surgeries for a while (..hopefully a VERY LOOOOOOONG time..), or does her complex condition make it hard to judge the long-term outcome? I really hope she'll be able to stay away from the OR for many years to come after this.

Sorry to hear about your PC moving. I had a wonderful doctor I had to leave last year and it's hard enough to find someone you feel comfortable with, let alone someone who understands all the ins-and-outs of a complex heart condition! Was he able to recommend you to someone?

Meanwhile I'm sending lots and lots of positive thoughts and best wishes to you both.....

Anna : )
 
Abbanabba said:
Hi Janet, what sort of results are expected from the replacement? Does this mean Katie will be able to avoid more surgeries for a while (..hopefully a VERY LOOOOOOONG time..), or does her complex condition make it hard to judge the long-term outcome? I really hope she'll be able to stay away from the OR for many years to come after this.
Anna : )

Well, that is our hope. Dr. Bove has always been brutally honest, optimistic, but honest. He told us during our first surgical consult that we will never be able to finish up with a surgery and say, "Hey, this was our last one," and that we are most likely looking at a lifetime of surgeries, and possibly a transplant someday. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the fontan operation, but with the extracardiac version, an external conduit is used to finish rerouting the last of the blue blood that is still entering Katie's heart straight into her pulmonary arteries. (This will complete the fontan circulation where her heart will just be pumping blood - all red now instead of mixed - to her body; the blood then circulates throughout the body, drains to her lungs, and then the heart, and the cycle starts all over.) Dr. Bove warned us that this external conduit may have to be replaced one day due to growth or some other factor. Also, many surgeons leave a fenestration when they perform the fontan. If the fenestration does not close on its own, that would have to be surgically closed one day. (Dr. Bove said he would determine that on the table, so we don't know if Katie will have a fenestration or not.) He also warned us that Katie is at high risk of needing a pacemaker one day due to the very nature of her complex defects; that, and the location of Katie's common AV valve that needs replacing is right near the bundle of hiss - I really do not like the sound of that term - I think of snakes! :eek: And, of course, this blasted valve may need replacing again some day, if he can't place one big enough to accommodate her growth, or, God forbid, failure of some sort. AS far as transplant, well, the heart has to work a bit harder to pump the blood all the way throughout the body and to the lungs in one fell swoop, so her ventricles could just wear out sooner than most folks................sigh!

Having said all that, we are really hopeful that this will be Katie's last surgery for quite some time to come. We have not had any arrythmia issues to date, other than the PVCs she was throwing after that valve repair last spring - and those were the first ever that we know of. Soooo, it does make me a tad bit nervous that we are going in and working in that same area again!! Haahaahaa! Who are we kidding here - a TAD bit nervous??? I'm going out of my guourd (sp? why can't I spellcheck on here?) with worry here - over the whole thing! I haven't found anyone whose kid has had the fontan AND a mechanical valve replacement, so I'm a mess! I'm just praying really hard that this will be the last surgery for a very, very long time and that Katie has a good quality of life for .........well, life!

AS far as PCs, yes, God I hate that Dr. W. is leaving. I just hope that he is around long enough to see us through this post-op period. He knows what is "normal" for Katie, whereas a new one wouldn't, no matter how good he/she is. We were in the hospital 8 weeks at birth, so we met all the cards on hospital rotation, and there is one other one we liked, and her specialty is echochardiography, which it would have to be with Katie. (Thank God, the echo tech, Mary Ann, is not leaving, too, as she is starting to really know her way around Katie's anatomy and doesn't have to call in Dr. W. nearly as often as she used to.) And Dr. W. said that is who he was going to recommend anyway, so that was a little comforting. We'll give her a try and if we don't like her, I may switch to Niki's PC, although it's a bit further to drive. Peace of mind is worth an extra 30 minutes.

Well, Anna, this is way more than you bargained for, I am sure. :D Anyway, I think I can finally sleep now (it's 3 AM here!), so thank you for that! Heehee! Thank you so much for the good thoughts. Please keep them coming. Hugs.
P.S. Karlynn, if you happen to be reading this, I apologize for overlooking your question and for misspelling your name - too used to spelling Katelyn with one n, not two - on the lyn part, anyway! :D Dr. Bove is in Ann Arbor at the University of Michigan's pediatric hospital C.S. Mott's - the one with Big Bird in the lobby.
 
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