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shambles

My valve replacement surgery is scheduled for this Friday Jun 9th. My surgeon told me to stop the coumadin Sunday Jun 4th(tommorow). Should I be concerned about NOT being on it? I had a heart attack from a blood clot only 2 weeks ago. I've been on the coumadin since the day after the heart attack.
 
Don't know a lot about coumadin for heart attacks/blood clots, but it seems to me (with no medical background) that if it was just two weeks ago, that perhaps they should be bridging you with Heparin or Lovenox (shots). It just seems reasonable. Perhaps someone with more knowledge (Al?) will chime in. But it couldn't hurt to call your surgeon's office on Monday morning and ask if they would consider you a candidate for bridging until the surgery, and letting them know you are concerned.

I know there are written standards for bridging. You might try a search both on this site and on the net.

Good luck.
 
shambles said:
My valve replacement surgery is scheduled for this Friday Jun 9th. My surgeon told me to stop the coumadin Sunday Jun 4th(tommorow). Should I be concerned about NOT being on it? I had a heart attack from a blood clot only 2 weeks ago. I've been on the coumadin since the day after the heart attack.

Some Questions:

WHO is managing your Coumadin?
Is s/he aware of your scheduled surgery and instructions to discontinue Coumadin?

Is your Cardiologist aware of your scheduled surgery and instructions to discontinue Coumadin?

If the answer is NO to either of the last two questions, I recommend calling your Cardiologist and Coumadin Manager MONDAY morning. Tell them of your concern and ask if they recommend Bridging Therapy Before and After your surgery. You may also want to ask the surgeon why he did NOT prescribe Bridging Therapy.

BTW, WHERE are you having your surgery and who is your surgeon? Did your Cardiologist refer you to the surgeon?

I'm just wondering who is coordinating all of your medical procedures. Usually your Primary Care Physician acts as coordinator / monitor to make sure nothing is overlooked.

'AL Capshaw'
 
Sorry, but if you were put on coumadin because of a clot only 2 weeks ago, coming off coumadin now without bridging is asking for serious problems. You need to insist on getting approved for bridging therapy.
Please call your coumadin managing doctor on Monday. I wonder if the surgeon thought you would be bridged when he mentioned stopping the coumadin.
 
Sounds like a BAD idea to me. Ask about Heparin IV bridging. You would be in the hospital a couple of days ahead of the surgery
 
Thank you for the swift replies.. I am so new to this, I 've been reading these forums for hours on end and I realized that stopping may not be a good idea.

My cardio is Dr. Charles Olsen, the surgeon is Dr. Tracy Dorheim , both of Omaha and I will be having the surgery at Methodist Hospital in Omaha.

My cardiologists office is managing my coumadin and I have an appt with them tomorrow. I will definitely be asking them about the bridging therapy.

My cardiologist and hematologist both reccommended the surgeon. When I met with the surgeon Friday, he mentioned he did mostly tissue valves and his partner did more mechanical. This concerns me as I'm leaning toward a mechanical valve, I'm only 46 and don't want to have a 2nd surgery. Should I be seeing the OTHER surgeon?

On a side note. How long can I expect to remain in the hospital after the valve replacement? My cardiologist said a week, the surgeon said 4-5days.
 
Barring any complications, avg is 4 to 5 days, but I'll take the number 7. If you really feel mechanical, I think you should at least talk with the other surgeon.
 
If you end up going on Heparin IV bridging therapy, you will stay in the hospital until your INR gets therapeutic. And that will depend on your own body. You may technically be able to go home sooner, but in our experience, they will not spring you until you're therapeutic.
 
When I met with the surgeon Friday, he mentioned he did mostly tissue valves and his partner did more mechanical. This concerns me as I'm leaning toward a mechanical valve, I'm only 46 and don't want to have a 2nd surgery. Should I be seeing the OTHER surgeon?

"Mostly" is not the same as all, but this seems like an opportunity to get that second opinion you were wondering about too. Since you are already on coumadin and have had several heart attacks, I would be wondering what the liklihood is of remaining on coumadin indefinitely. If you are going to be on coumadin indefinitely and you're leaning mechanical anyway, why even consider tissue? And if you are going with mechanical, in the interest of more specific experience being optimal, it would make sense to me to go with the surgeon who does mostly mechanical.
 
PJ raises a good point. I was on Coumadin long before surgery because of tia's caused by small clots generated by an aortic valve going south. There was not doubt which kind of valve I was getting and I've been a coumadin user ever since. I'd get a secong opinion for sure and also start reading the section of this site that deals with valve selection.
 
Hi shambles,

Trying to diagnose you no less provide advice is extremely difficult. Others on this site mean well, but your problem is a complex one. First of all, you obviously have significant coronary artery disease. One would need to know which artery was involved in the 2005 and 2006 episodes. The reason for being unable to stent you is crucial. The long term use of anticoagulants for coronary artery disease is fraught with complications and uncertainty regarding the indications. Thus, it is not possible to assume that you will or will not be on long term Coumadin therapy. This therefore should not influence your choice of valves. The factors that you should consider relate to your primary coronary artery disease and your age. The duration of competence of porcine valves is between 12-15 years. If your life expectancy is greater than that, you might consider a mechanical valve. However, the stroke risk from a mechanical valve exceeds that of a porcine valve.

Let me make some assumptions. You are a 65 year old male with significant coronary artery disease such that your life expectancy is between 8-12 years. You are today not a class I anesthesia or surgical risk. If you should be lucky enough to outlive the life expectancy of a porcine valve then you would face open heart surgery at about the age of 77-82. Your risks from surgery would be even greater then compared to today.

To get to your original question and the ?bridging? advice given here. The risk of stopping Coumadin for a mechanical valve probably far exceeds the risk of stopping for coronary occlusive disease. Although you are anticoagulated during the surgery itself, this is reversed at the end of the procedure. You then go without any protection from anticoagulation for 24 hours and then begin Coumadin therapy and perhaps even heparin. The 24 hours post op are critical to trying to prevent bleeding episodes from the valve and the opening of the pericardial sac itself.

I cannot address the issue of a particular surgeon preferring a mechanical over porcine valve. There are definite differences in the construction of different mechanical and porcine valves that make insertion easier or harder for individual surgeons. This is more likely the reason. The surgeon has found a valve that he can insert well and gets good results. It jus happens in this case to be mechanical.

This answer is not intended as and does not substitute for medical advice - the information presented is for patient education only. Please see your personal physician for further evaluation of your individual case.
 
Dr. Allan,
I am confused reading your post. Are you saying Shambles does not need to look into bridging therapy or that she shouldn't worry too much if it is refused? With a history of clots, shouldn't coming off coumadin be something to worry about?
 
Dr. Allan,
Here is a bit of history regarding my previous heart attacks. The first in 03, I was a healthy (or so I thought) 43yr old female with NO family history, no diabetes, no high blood pressure, no high cholesterol, didn't smoke. I WAS overweight about 90lbs. So this HA came out of the blue one nite while I was laying down watching tv. My LAD was blocked just below diagonal branches (don't know how else to explain it) and was successfully stented. 2nd HA happened last August, I was awakened at 5:40am with the slight chest pains. This time it was in a "feeder" artery just off the diagonal branch. Too narrow to stent. 3rd HA was May 19th while I was standing in the bathroom applying makeup. It was last week, after having a TEE test that it was discovered I had a bicuspid aorta. The tumor was situated just above the aorta.

Given my age, I was leaning toward the mechanical valve.

note: I have lost approx 40lbs since the last HA.. YEAH ME!! :)
 
Hi Nancy.
Yes, I belive it's called a myxoma tumor. I've yet to understand just what that means.

Another question I have is how soon do I have my 2 young daughters tested?
 
I met with my cardiologist yesterday, he was not concerned that I was going off coumadin from Monday to Friday. I mentioned the bridging but he said I should be ok. I'll also ask my Primary Physician about it tomorrow.

I have decided on the St. Jude. I hope through time I'll get used to the click. I just don't want to have another surgery down the road.

Thank you all for the information. I have learned more from this forum in the last week than from any Dr.
 
shambles said:
I met with my cardiologist yesterday, he was not concerned that I was going off coumadin from Monday to Friday. I mentioned the bridging but he said I should be ok. I'll also ask my Primary Physician about it tomorrow.

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Thank you all for the information. I have learned more from this forum in the last week than from any Dr.

I'm glad you will be getting a second opinion about Bridging from your PCP. You may also want to ask your Surgeon for his opinion, just to get his 'hands on' take on the issue.

'AL Capshaw'
 
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