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Marguerite53

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Hello everyone. Well my visit with the surgeon was interesting and educational. Apparently, and this is good news of course, I?m technically at severe with the stenosis but since there is nothing else going on, there really is no hurry for the surgery. Nothing has changed with the rest of my heart ? its working great, no enlargements or malfunctions due to the compensation. So, while I?d be fine to choose a date next week, I can also wait until either my numbers get worse, or my symptoms become more significant?.ie?.months or years?? At the very least?..wait for a convenient time for my family.

The surgeon was searching for a heart cath report. I have not had one. Clearly, since the cardio performs that, and she did not think I was actually ready for the surgeon, she had not ordered one, and I was not aware that he would expect one. Thus we learn about the relationships between the doctors (and she always said she would send me when she thought I was ready). He, in fact, thought this was somewhat of a pre-op visit. I was just wanting to get familiar with a surgeon?s point of view. When this became clear, the meeting really got rolling.

My husband went along (he has never been with me to any cardiologist) and that was a very good thing. He feels much better informed and much more dialed in. The surgeon was very giving of his time and the conversation was easy and the information very useful. I need to THANK YOU ALL for all the advice and intelligent information I?ve gotten here at vr.com which made our conversations that much more valuable today.

I learned afew things. No surprise, he recommends a mechanical valve for me. When I said I?d probably want tissue, he smiled and said, ?good. We?ll have a second date, then!!? (meaning he?ll still be operating when I need my second valve!) (we?re the same age). We talked about the heart-lung machine. My father had a triple by-pass and was very out of it mentally just afterwards. He now suffers from significant short term memory loss, dementia or Altzheimers or Pump Head?..we don?t know. Needles to say, that is a big issue for us. He said less time on the heart lung machine is better. He said that beating heart operations still have the same potential for memory loss problems and are so much more difficult that he won?t try them. He recommended that I stay away from the stentless valves (I don?t need one, some patients may, of course) which require a lot more time on the heart-lung machine. (they are more difficult to sew in since they have no metal framework and are so pliable). He said I would be a candidate for the Ross procedure if I were younger, but the only man here in town who does them is a pediatric surgeon, and again, much longer on the machine. He claims there is no such thing as Pump Head. While it is true that many people suffer memory loss just after the surgery, it is due to other things like embolisms and (well, I don?t speak medical speak so I was lost) they are still trying to provide answers to that because something does happen to a fraction of patients. They just don?t seem to be sure what it is yet. We asked about the warming thing??reports that if you warm up a person after surgery more slowly, there is less potential for damage to the brain. He said that there is a perfect range they seek. Too fast a warming can overheat sensitive nerve endings in the brain, too slow can cause low blood pressure and several problems in the brain related to that. So they have machines which secure the perfect range as they are warming you back up. He also mentioned the less invasive cuts some surgeons are perfecting where they go in under the breast. He doesn?t like them, says they are very painful and do not give a good view of the area to be worked on. He thinks they are almost somewhat of a gimmick (someone in California is big on them).

I?m sorry that my explanations leave something to be desired here! I certainly do not want to ?diss? anyone who is considering or has chosen and is living with any of these things I have commented on. I?m just doing what we do here?.sharing information. Please don?t get going on a valve choice thing. I?m quite ambivalent at this point. I may end up tossing a coin!!

So now I sit down with my husband and we look at the calendar and figure out what to do. I feel very lucky. This man is highly experienced and most of the other top surgeons in our area are part of his group. I?m sure I will interview several others before I set a date. I know I won?t wait too long, I know now that I don?t even have to wait at all if I don?t want to!

I?ll keep you posted! Thanks everyone!

Marguerite
 
So glad you had such a good visit with the surgeon, Marguerite. There's something to be said for having more time to interview surgeons and something even more to be said for being an "informed" patient. Whatever decision you make in regards to either the valve or the surgeon, you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you did all your homework and the final decision is the best one for you. Congratulations and Best Wishes!:)
 
Well well well...:D ..

Now that does sound good...

It sounds like you had a great chat and were able to cover lots of things that were on your mind...

EXCELLENT!...


I hope I am as "on-the-ball" when my turn comes...

did you have a list to work from or has your memory held-out well?
 
You're basically in the same posisition that I'm in at the moment.I scheduled my surgery for Jan 9th but due to sinus problems,I've put it off until April 3.My surgeon at Johns Hopkins said I could have OHS now or wait until Sept.It was totally my choice because there were no overriding factors to push me into surgery.It sounds like you have the same options as I.I'm sure whatever choice you make will be the right one.
 
Wow, Marguerite!

Sounds like an interesting/awesome/possibly aggravating/deliciously informational visit with the surgeon ... he he he.

Congrats and good luck! Thoughts/prayers coming your way as you decipher what/how to do....


Cort, "Mr MC" / "Mr Road Trip", 32swm/pig valve/pacemaker
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"It's coming down to nothing more than apathy" ... The Fray ... 'Over My Head'
 
Marguerite I am glad that you have met a surgeon that you appear to have faith in. You may not be interested in one but I am just a little surprised to read that he thinks you are too old for a Ross. I was to have a Ross until things went bad with CHF before surgery in 2004 and I was 41, not much younger than you and. We have several members here that have had Ross's at >45. When I discussed Pump Head with my surgeon he acknowledged it existed but said it was more prevalent in >60 year old patients and in younger patients usually resolved within a few months. I asked him what caused it and he said there is no certain answer but it is thought to be associated with "micro bubbles" (aeration) created in the blood by the pump. I have found the increased Beta-Blockers I have been from 2 months post surgery have impaired my mental function more than the pump did in the immediate post surgery period, in fact immediately post surgery I noticed no effect. :(
 
I wondered yesterday how your appointment went. Sounds like you got a good start at surgeon shopping. How nice that you have time to browse! With your approach, I'm sure you'll make the right decision!
 
Have been waiting to hear of your appointment. Your description was a perfect example of how doctor's appointments should always be--thorough, informative, encouraging. Good for you! Best of luck with your decision. I'm sure you'll choose just the right course. Keep us informed!
 
I was glad to read your post. When I scheduled my MVR the timing was listed as elective. Just weeks later when I was admitted the status was changed to urgent. Apparently, CHF has the effect of remodeling blood vessels or blood flow and the changes can be picked up on x-rays. Anyway, by the time I had surgery one of the indications of need was CHF. Things can decline pretty rapidly at times. I'm glad you're getting things set in motion so it can be dealt with before you end up with permament damage.

My incision was across the lower part of my right breast. The pain I had post-op was mostly from muscle spasms in my rib cage. It remains tender to touch even today but I never had my sternum opened so I have nothing to compare it to.

You are such an informed patient that I'm sure you will make the choice that is right for you.
 
Way To Go!

Way To Go!

Good Work! I'm impressed both by your thorough questions, and that the surgeon took the time to listen, and answer them! He sounds like a very good guy to have on board. Great to be able to make decisions from a position of knowledge. Brian
 
Marguerite -

Marguerite -

Best wishes to you on your upcoming surgery. It sounds like you most certainly have done your homework and the decision you make will be the one you are supposed to go with.

God bless -

Christina L
 
Marguerite,

Sounds like you had a good visit with your surgeon. You now have some time to plan. Knowledge of what you are facing makes these decisions clearer.

Keep that quarter ready!!!!!:D I don't think they will let you wait until the operating room to make up your mind.:D :D :D

May God Bless,

Danny
 
Oh my gosh. You guys are all so wonderful. I feel like I have a new extended family in so many ways! I honestly, deeply, appreciate all of your remarks and well wishes.

As per the Ross procedure comment?.because Oregon is rather large with Portland being the largest metro area, many people come from all over for medical services. We are local, and once he understood that, and that I had no interest in traveling outside the area for my surgery, that was probably why he made that comment to me. There just isn?t anyone here whom he feels to be qualified for the Ross procedure for someone in my particular condition besides the pediatric surgeon who would certainly not take my case.

I took my husband with me for a reason! We sat together the night before and wrote down our questions. I took the list but together we worked our way through, looking only once at the list to be sure we?d covered everything. We had. My husband?s memory is much better, he?s a business exec so these kinds of meetings are very easy for him. He is a true numbers guy and he was quite interested in the statistics. At one point the surgeon pulled out his Palm, pulled up a program and in seconds had the outcome statistics on whether I chose to have my surgery next week, or when I was 60 ? all physical conditions being the same. The number only varied a little??.1.4% risk to 1.8% risk (I?m guessing here, I never remember those fine points). My husband was not comfortable with either number, of course. Interesting how is sounds so small, yet someone who deals with numbers all the time will see it as significant enough to command attention. Makes you stand up and take notice!! This is a huge decision and not to be taken lightly as to the timing of the thing. Yes, Cort, "Sounds like an interesting/awesome/possibly aggravating/deliciously informational visit with the surgeon ... he he he. " Exactly right!!

A few other things that he mentioned which I found interesting. His group works out of 5 of our metro hospitals. They spend a lot of time servicing the whole state (and he admitted, a lot of time in their cars!). The other prominent group chooses not to and only uses one hospital. Therefore, the other group actually does more surgeries per year. Since this surgeon performs over 100 per year (varied, not just valve replacements) I?m not sure how to assess that finding. The other hospital is not in our insurance plan so it is probably a moot point anyway. Dr. Starr (of the Starr-Edwards valve) is in the other group.

Also, I thought it was interesting that he handed me a sheet of paper at the end of our meeting (and after we got to play with some valves that were sitting around on his desk!) which mentioned these things (not new info, but concise info?..)

Significant preoperative risks: Prior heart attack, scarred muscle (aneurysm), Diseased valves, prior stroke, diseased leg or neck arteries, diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney or gastrointestinal disease. Medications: aspirin, coumadin, steroids, allergies. Other conditions: varicose veins, prior surgery if problems.

Risk of complication after operation:
Stroke (less that 1%), temporary confusion, numbness of an arm or leg, possible paralysis of the diaphragm. Bleeding which can lead to reopening (4%), transfusion problems, options. Rhythm disturbances (most common). Heart attack during operation (less than 5%). Lung problems (especially with smokers). Kidney problems. Wound problems ? drainage, infection, numbness of chest wall, grating of the sternum, serpaation(rare). Cold sweats, hiccups, inflamed veins, lung clots, fluid in chest space, GI bleeding, inflammation of gall bladder or pancreas. Inflammation of the lining of the chest wall (postcardiotomy syndrome)

Operation takes ____ hours to complete. (4 for me, he writes). The usual ICU stay is 2-3 days and the usual hospital stay is 6 to 8 days. Recuperation requires 6 to 8 weeks to heal the breast bone and grafts, and a return to normal activity is usually possible withing 2 to 3 months.

While I suppose this could be mind-numbing, it?s actually been incredibly helpful to me in truly realizing what an enormous undertaking this is. Makes me totally reconsider the mechanical valve, makes me realize that in my case the cardio and surgeon are in fact, in concert. My biggest concern is what Betty alludes to??." When I scheduled my MVR the timing was listed as elective. Just weeks later when I was admitted the status was changed to urgent. Apparently, CHF has the effect of remodeling blood vessels or blood flow and the changes can be picked up on x-rays. Anyway, by the time I had surgery one of the indications of need was CHF. " So uncertain am I of my being able to accurately portray my symptoms to anyone, I?ve put in a call to the cardiologist to once and for all get an understandable and relatable list of what I should be watching out for and reporting. There is one nurse who is quite brilliant and forthcoming and I?m seeking her out specifically for this.

Well, this is certainly TMI by now!! (too much information!!) I?ll let ya?ll go!!

Thanks again for your gracious remarks. And Danny, my husband carries around a lucky coin??.I?ll be using that one for sure!

:D Marguerite
 
*raises eyebrow*

Could be mind-numbing? He he he...I'd say it is! In a good way, of course ;).

Also:
"Yes, Cort, "Sounds like an interesting/awesome/possibly aggravating/deliciously informational visit with the surgeon ... he he he. " Exactly right!!"

Wowa ... I'm right about somethin'? Go figure ;).
 
I was amazed that the nurse AND the cardio called me back today. I only left a message for the nurse, too! Anyway, nurse told me that the most important symptom I should be watching is my shortness of breath. If it increases enough to concern me, I should call. If I get dizzy to the point of it being a large change, I'm to call. When the cardio called, she concurred. Weird that she called and then spent most of the time asking me about my holiday! I told her I'd visited her 1st choice surgeon and liked him very much. She said nothing, really. So I've an appointment (which I made after my last echo) to see her in mid March and I'll just keep that and see where I stand at that point. Suits me fine. Assuming nothing changes too quickly, I didn't want to wreck the kids' spring break anyway... Husband and I will sit down this weekend and look the year over and guestimate a time.

In the meantime I'll start researching valves. The surgeon said the choice was absolutely up to me. Then he had no information to pass on to me for reading or anything. It's a weird system if you ask me. It will definitely be the topic for my next meeting with the cardio.

Now I just have to get through my breast biopsy next monday. Met with that surgeon today. Sounds like even less fun than I had understood it to be from our first meeting.......this surgeon is very talkative...........wish she were my cardiologist!! ;) !! I'm actually not too worried. Just needs to be done. Not terribly threatening.

Okay gang. G'nite! Feel a cold coming on and I'm dousing it with Zicam and lots of Odwalla Orange Juice! Sleep is probably a good remedy too!

:D Marguerite
 
Marguerite,
Your experience sounds like what I expect at some time not too far in the future -- timing is optional but . . .

Obviously you've done a lot of your research, and handled it well. It sounds like your surgeon is a good fit, personality-wise and skill/specialty-wise, as is your cardio.

I don't think you can ask for much more.

Thanks for the update - and keep us posted!
 
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