Excision of Sebaceous Cyst while Anti-coagulated

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ALCapshaw2

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OK my fellow anti-coagulated patients, have any of you had a Sebaceous Cyst excised while still anti-coagulated?

I'd really like to hear a resounding YES to this question as I'd like to get this little nasty taken care of ASAP, i.e. before it becomes larger and / or infected. It appears to be in the same location as a cyst I had excised years ago and just re-erupted this weekend.

Part B to the question is:

Can an Internist / PCP do this or should I go directly to a surgeon?
(Either way, I KNOW I will NOT be the one collecting $200 - OK, I'm in a funky mood - Isn't there a card in Monopoly (or some board game?) that says: (Go directly to Jail, do not collect $200)

'AL Capshaw'
 
Nope but i had one removed from the back of my neck when not anti-coagulated at the local GP's about a year ago.

It didn't bleed that much from that location anyway, i think i sat up to have it done.

The scar is a bit of a mess so i would choose to have it done somewhere other than a local gp's and hope for a better closure.

I don't think there was as much as 50-100ml of blood around the place on various gauzes...

Not sure of the effect warafin would have on this situation.

Regards.
 
I think, Al, that I have had just that experience several times since surgery. I had to search to find a doctor who would cut these out while I was on coumadin, and eventually found one. I have to drive an hour to reach his office and the hospital where he does surgery, but it's far better than spending a week in the hospital. He has cut out cysts for me when I was completely anaesthetized, and again when I had only local anaesthesia. You could call Dr. Robinson at 248-338-7171 and see if he could recommend a surgeon in your area. I have had no problems from these surgeries.
 
Fully anti-coagulated removal

Fully anti-coagulated removal

A little over a year ago I had something removed from just under one eye excised by a plastic surgeon leaving a 1 1/2" scar without bleeding problems while fully anti-coagulated.

The worst part was having the congealed blood turn black (very dark coloured) setting off the suture material and it wasn't that bad.
 
Sebaceous cysts are formed by the glands at the base of a hair follicle. The typically form a capsule around some foul smelling collection of keratin (dead skin cells). The important thing is that they are immediately beneath the surface of the skin. Except for those in the nape of the neck, which has very dense connective tissue surrounding it, they are usually freely mobile to movement. Their removal involves making a very careful incision through the upper layer of the skin down to but not into the cyst wall, (I accomplished this about 85% of the time. Then one needs to dissect the surrounding tissue from the surface of the cyst, again trying not to rupture the cyst. If it does rupture, aside from the smell, the removal is slightly more technically difficult.

There is a relatively poor blood supply to the cyst itself, which thus does not bleed very much. Because of inflammation, the sides and base of the cyst may be in contact with more vascular tissue, which will bleed more easily. Usually the injection of the anesthetic agent with adrenaline causes enough vasoconstriction to reduce bleeding. Any bleeding that does occur is EASILY controlled with pressure and electric cautery. Although expensive, rather than use the large “Bovie” cautery, many times a disposable ophthalmic cautery (large size) does an easy and excellent job of ‘cooking’ any significant bleeding vessels.

The removal of a cyst is a simple procedure, but then again there are competent and not so competent doctors. Sorry if I offend some of my family practice colleagues, but they do not have usually the breadth of skills and judgment to do a good job in an anticoagulated patient. Likewise, almost any surgeon should be able to do a careful closure that will give affine scar and cosmetic result. Because there is an underlying defect (where the cyst leaves a hole) the incision should be closed in two layers. Using absorbable suture the subcutaneous layer is brought together which closes the hole. The small (called 5-0 sutures are used in the skin itself the hold the edges in approximation. Because of the subcutaneous sutures taking the strain of the tissue trying to pull apart, there is little strain on the skin edges themselves, which contributes to reducing scar formation.

Bottom line; any of plastic, general, or ENT surgeon should do a good job. You want to make your appointment specifically for removal of a cyst.

This answer is not intended as and does not substitute for medical advice - the information presented is for patient education only. Please see your personal physician for further evaluation of your individual case.
 
Dr Allan,

Thank You for you informative reply!

I notice that you did not include Dermatologists in your list of preferred providers. Was that deliberate or an omission?

Also, what are your thoughts on antibiotic premedication / IV antibiotics / post procedure medication?

I'd really like to get this resolved before it becomes infected as I already have a St. Jude mechanical valve in the Aortic position and have been advised to replace my Mitral Valve ("sooner is better").

Thanks again,

'AL Capshaw'
 
Speaking of electric cauterization. When I had my last skin cancer removed from my head it was about 5:15 PM. As the dermatologist was burning it, the nurse said, "Boy that makes me hungry for BBQ". I had to laugh. Then the doc said lay still. I replied that when he had done it previously and I said that it smelled like he was branding cattle he got mad. At least this time he laughed, too. BTW the branding idea came from by primary doc who grew up as a cowboy.
 
The dermatologist question was one of omission with a caveat. Most derms are great at surface scrapping and superficial biopsies. I worked closely with one when in practice and got what he thought were tough excision, but were more routine for me. That doesn?t answer your question, but I?d stick with a more surgically oriented doctor. Remember all of our specialty training is done by the named specialist. In some respects it is like the blind leading the blind.
 
The blind leading the blind is why so few docs are good at managing warfarin.

Most dermatologists would probably agree that their specialty is not a surgical subspecialty.
 

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