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My question is, how would one know if they had any fluid around the heart or lungs if they couldn't feel pain? Seems like it has benefits, but is it really a benefit?
 
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before I had surgery I spoke with them about this and they said they were scared to do it. Exact reasons were in medical terms so I might not say it correctly so I wont try but they did refuse.
 
It looks good to me. If you have a reop, and you're not on coumadin, it looks like it would be a viable option.

About the fluid Ross, that's why they do the X-rays.
Mary
 
Mary said:
It looks good to me. If you have a reop, and you're not on coumadin, it looks like it would be a viable option.

About the fluid Ross, that's why they do the X-rays.
Mary
I can't tell you how many times they didn't do x-rays until I complained of chest pain though.
 
This was my thought - some pain, while distressing, is a body's warning system. That's why doctors poke around and say "Does this hurt?" :)
 
Karlynn said:
This was my thought - some pain, while distressing, is a body's warning system. That's why doctors poke around and say "Does this hurt?" :)

The way I read it, I don't believe the effects of the epidural last that long.
Once the needle comes out of your spine, the medicine is no longer being given.
I don't agree that some pain "warning the body" is needed. During labor and delivery, there is terrific pain present, but we've learned a woman doesn't need to endure it to help her body's warning system.

If it can be used in heart surgery, the same way it is used in child birth, I am all for it.
 
If this is the case, then the next time I need a chest tube put in while I'm conscience, they better darn well give me one of those!
 
Ross said:
If this is the case, then the next time I need a chest tube put in while I'm conscience, they better darn well give me one of those!
Nothing worse than having a chest tube put in after your sternum has been cut in two. They had to roll me on my side and PUSH the tube into my side, causing the two bones to rub together and me to scream in pain. :eek:
 
Mary said:
I don't agree that some pain "warning the body" is needed. During labor and delivery, there is terrific pain present, but we've learned a woman doesn't need to endure it to help her body's warning system.

I didn't mean some pain in all instances. I meant pain in some instances. This is why they don't immediately pain medicate every person that comes into the ER. They need to be able to find out where the pain is coming from, which then allows them to decide how to proceed and what diagnostics to perform. Once the pain is identified, then medication is given. In the case of childbirth, they know what is causing the pain. Any additional pain, or increase in pain usually doesn't tell them anything that close monitoring of the labor wouldn't tell them.

When I had my OHS, they gave me a med before I left my room and told me that I would be asleep before I got into the OR. Well, I was pretty drowsy and my eyes were closed, but I was still awake unbeknownst to them. They began cutting into my jugular to insert the "whatchamacallit" line and I said "OW!" Someone said "Oh my gosh, she's still awake, get her under!" and I heard them scrambling around. Pain in that instance, was a good thing! :D
 
Karlynn said:
When I had my OHS, they gave me a med before I left my room and told me that I would be asleep before I got into the OR. Well, I was pretty drowsy and my eyes were closed, but I was still awake unbeknownst to them. They began cutting into my jugular to insert the "whatchamacallit" line and I said "OW!" Someone said "Oh my gosh, she's still awake, get her under!" and I heard them scrambling around. Pain in that instance, was a good thing! :D

Heh. Yeah, guess it was.

I had a similar experience during my 1987 catheterization. I was out ... and woke up DURING the procedure. I thought I was done and attempted to begin to move about ... except I couldn't move. And, to make matters worse, I couldn't talk/open my mouth. So, there I lay, with them doing goodness knows what to me ... hearing and feeling a bit of what was going on. I was about to go nuts when one of the nurses, bless her heart, somehow noticed that my eyes weren't closed ... and they scrambled around to put me under again...heh.
 
knightfan2691 said:
Heh. Yeah, guess it was.

I had a similar experience during my 1987 catheterization. I was out ... and woke up DURING the procedure. I thought I was done and attempted to begin to move about ... except I couldn't move. And, to make matters worse, I couldn't talk/open my mouth. So, there I lay, with them doing goodness knows what to me ... hearing and feeling a bit of what was going on. I was about to go nuts when one of the nurses, bless her heart, somehow noticed that my eyes weren't closed ... and they scrambled around to put me under again...heh.

Okay, I have to admit, one of my big fears is waking up during surgery. It takes a lot to knock me out. I don't sedate very easily (Much to Glenn's unhappiness :) ). I know now that they keep an eye on heart rate and breathing etc, to look for signs of the patient being more conscious than unconscious, but it's still a scary thing for me.
 
Karlynn said:
Okay, I have to admit, one of my big fears is waking up during surgery. It takes a lot to knock me out. I don't sedate very easily (Much to Glenn's unhappiness :) ). I know now that they keep an eye on heart rate and breathing etc, to look for signs of the patient being more conscious than unconscious, but it's still a scary thing for me.

*chuckles*

I would think that Glenn would want you awake.

But, what the helk do I know? ;)


Ya know ... I never had a fear of waking up from surgeries or any procedure. I'm surprised I haven't had that fear, considering what happened in that catheterization.

Yet, I guess I just see it as different situations ... just because something happened once, does not mean it'll happen again.

*shrugs*

Not very easy to put this all into words...sorry :(.
 
Hey Gina,

My sister Gerri said she saw my surgeon Dr, Jee (for short) on the news the other day. He's the Chief Surgeon at Chicago University hospital. He was the one that is being quoted inthe article your talking about.. I didn't get to see the vedeo because my computer wouldn't load it. Too slow. Anyway the article is very interesting. I would imagine he may have suggested using that on me if I had my surgery this year and not four years ago. :) Never had a baby so I wouldn't know what having a epidural would be like. Sounds like a good thing to me though.
 
Hey Gina,

My sister Gerri said she saw my surgeon Dr, Jee (for short) on the news the other day. He's the Chief Surgeon at Chicago University hospital. He was the one that is being quoted inthe article your talking about.. I didn't get to see the video because my computer wouldn't load it. Too slow. Anyway the article is very interesting. I would imagine he may have suggested using that on me if I had my surgery this year and not four years ago. :) Never had a baby so I wouldn't know what having a epidural would be like. Sounds like a good thing to me though.
 
Big-Chuck said:
before I had surgery I spoke with them about this and they said they were scared to do it. Exact reasons were in medical terms so I might not say it correctly so I wont try but they did refuse.





ya bad idea the epidural too risky.

the hospital is only trying to have more epidurals done- thus increase sales and fees. Its media coverage and marketing at its best.
 
Well, I guess I had an epidural during surgery.

The first day that I had a shower, the nurse asked me if I had an epidural. I said, "No, don't think so." She said it sure looked like a puncture site on my lower back. I kind of thought about it throughout, and asked my husband if he could think of any reason why it would be there. He said, "Nope, no idea".

That was it until I read the link Gina supplied.

Last night we were with the kids, and during the surgery discussion, I mentioned what I had read on Gina's link. Our daughter said, "Mom, you did have an epidural." My husband said, "I don't think so."

Of course, since she's female, she was right. :p :p

She said that during a visit to the ICU, when Bob was getting something to eat, the nurse listed off all the tubes and lines coming off my body. Sure enough, the epidural was hooked up to a small box that was dispensing the pain meds. Brig has an outrageous fear of needles, and she was grossed out that I had one in my back! :eek: That's why she so clearly remembers it! :)

Anyway, I guess that's why I felt no pain at all afterwards. I kept waiting for that "truck" to hit me, and it never even drove down my road!

So MyAVIK, get a grip on your fear! You're apt to run into much scarier things than an epidural before you get out of OHS surgery!
 

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