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Nocturne;n872147 said:
Why... Why are comments disabled on that video?
No idea !

Here's a link to the documentary's homepage: http://www.fathead-movie.com Plenty of comments to the blog posts there. Bear in mind the author of the bog is frequently being heavily sarcastic about the diet food industry - ie I see in the recent blog titlte 'Wow, look at all the foods that are good for you" he is showing that actually they're not healthy as they contain lots of sugar despite being promoted in one way or another as healthy.
 
I watched a TV programme on BBC UK TV several years ago about the Hadza people. They are amazingly fit and lean, live on the meat they hunt plus lots of a particular type of nut that grows wild there, with a bit of seasonal fruit which is much more like wild fruit, ie not very sweet. They do sometimes get honey got from bees' nests. The programme featured eight very overweight Brits, flown out there, they had to live with the Hadza for a few weeks to help them lose weight. As the diet of the Hadza was ketogenic the first couple of weeks was very hard for the Brits as their carb levels were slashed. There were a couple of dieticians with the team keeping an eye on the overwieghts and encouraging them, but most of them dropped out with tears and all. One was left who persisted and began to lose weight and felt much better. Programme was called 'Fat Men can't Hunt'. I wonder if the person who persisted with the diet carried on with it back in the UK - obviously he couldn't hunt here but certainly could keep to similar diet nutrient wise.
 
But... Did they lose weight because they were moving more, or eating less, or specifically because of the foods they were eating?

The blog I linked to above talks about "blue zone" peoples whose diets have a huge amount of starchy foods like sweet potatoes. What's going on there?

Does WHAT we eat, specifically, matter as much as not OVEReating?
 
Paleowoman;n872191 said:
I watched a TV programme on BBC UK TV several years ago about the Hadza people. They are amazingly fit and lean, live on the meat they hunt plus lots of a particular type of nut that grows wild there, with a bit of seasonal fruit which is much more like wild fruit, ie not very sweet. They do sometimes get honey got from bees' nests. The programme featured eight very overweight Brits, flown out there, they had to live with the Hadza for a few weeks to help them lose weight. As the diet of the Hadza was ketogenic the first couple of weeks was very hard for the Brits as their carb levels were slashed. There were a couple of dieticians with the team keeping an eye on the overwieghts and encouraging them, but most of them dropped out with tears and all. One was left who persisted and began to lose weight and felt much better. Programme was called 'Fat Men can't Hunt'. I wonder if the person who persisted with the diet carried on with it back in the UK - obviously he couldn't hunt here but certainly could keep to similar diet nutrient wise.

I imagine the Hadza aren't located anywhere near Philly where there's an Italian restaurant every other mile.
 
Nocturne;n872219 said:
But... Did they lose weight because they were moving more, or eating less, or specifically because of the foods they were eating?

The blog I linked to above talks about "blue zone" peoples whose diets have a huge amount of starchy foods like sweet potatoes. What's going on there?

Does WHAT we eat, specifically, matter as much as not OVEReating?
They lost weight because of the low carb diet they were adopting. They didn't eat less except some who didn't like the food, particualry the nuts which were not the kind of nuts we are used to. They liked the meat they got. The ones who couldn't keep it up asked to be repatriated. They also had to help with the hunting and gathering so got more exercise, but apparently the Hadza get a fair amount of lesure time, it's not all busy hunting and gathering. It is WHAT we eat rather than no OVEREATING. I eat exceptionly well, three cooked meals per day plus snacks, but I will lose weight sometimes even that way and even though I don't need to lose weight, in fact I need to gain it.

Here's a link to more about the Hadza: http://www.philosophy.dept.shef.ac.uk/culture&mind/people/crittendena/
 
Does WHAT we eat, specifically, matter as much as not OVEReating?
Well I think that depends on what your goals are. For health, based on my readings on this subject my opinion is that what you eat matters most unless you intend to live on a very low calorie diet. While low calorie diets have been shown to extend life (in animals), I believe that largely plant based diets have shown similar benefits and so it is expected they would produce the same results: longer life. That said, Okinawa is one place where people tend to be very long lived and not over eating is part of their culture:

You can’t talk about the Okinawan diet without mentioning hara hachi bu. Hara hachi bu is based on a Confucian teaching that reminds them to stop eating when they are 80 percent full. In English, the phrase translates to “eat until you are eight parts out of ten full.”
https://draxe.com/okinawa-diet/
I know nothing about Dr. Axe or this website, just found it when looking for a reference to how Okinawans limit their eating.
 
I would add to what I wrote earlier - people should always stop eating when their hunger is satisfied. It's important to listen to your body in this respect, but many people have 'lost' the ability to know when they are, or are not, hungry. First of all too many people are told as children to eat all the food on their plates, and so they are trained to ignore the fact that they might have satisfied their hunger when their plates still have food on them. Then a diet with too many carbs causes insulin spikes which cause drops in blood glucose levels leading to hunger even when a person has eaten recently - this happens in everyone, it's nothing to do with diabetes or hypoglycaemia - "Chinese restaurant" syndrome is a good illustration. But having dessert after a good meal is another illustration.
 
No one should underestimate the health benefits of being skinny. I'm serious!
Two thirds of people in Australia (probably the same everywhere where we thrive on eating crap) are overweight.

Agriculture was introduced into Europe from the Middle East about 8000 years ago. Biologically, we were never meant to be sedentary.
The Mediterranean Diet is an idealised version of what they 'actually' eat in Southern Europe. I mean seriously; pasta and pizza?
The China Study from rural populations in China is much more impressive.

PS, I'm nowhere near being skinny (in case people thought I was being a smartarse).
 
PPS A friend of mine is in hospital, as we speak, with chest pain. Please, don't ignore your lipids.
We can beat this heart disease thing if we get in early.
 
Agian;n872246 said:
No one should underestimate the health benefits of being skinny. I'm serious!....<snip>....
PS, I'm nowhere near being skinny (in case people thought I was being a smartarse).
I'm skinny ! I really am - my BMI is just under 18 so I'm actually in the "underweight" category.

Going back to amount people eat and overeating and types of food - we have friends who are all quite overweight. Mum used to give her daughter almost adult size portions of food even when she was only little and made her eat all on her plate. They were vegan* and, due to finances, ate a lot of white bread, white pasta, white rice, potatoes and chips (French fries to our American cousins), soy and some green and coloured veggies - a diet high in carbs which is also why they were overweight - I know my friend has lipid profile in the current "low" range. * They became vegetarian, ie added some dairy after about 15 years due to duaghter having health problems due to lack of B12 - but still overweight.
 
Agian;n872246 said:
Agriculture was introduced into Europe from the Middle East about 8000 years ago. Biologically, we were never meant to be sedentary.
The Mediterranean Diet is an idealised version of what they 'actually' eat in Southern Europe. I mean seriously; pasta and pizza?
The China Study from rural populations in China is much more impressive.
Actually we were never meant to be either sedentary nor living on the foods which only came into the human diet in substantial amounts with agriculture around 8000 to 10,000 years ago - PS adding this 3 minute video clip again as very appropriate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA...931CCD7E648328

But when it comes to China, 'The China Study vs the China study' - although lengthy, it’s worth reading this, every word, all the way through to the end: https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2010...e-china-study/
 
Cultures adapted to their environment and most were defined by the carbohydrates they consumed. For the Asians it was rice, for South Americans it was corn, for Europeans, bread. Your overweight friends were overweight, not because of the type of food they ate, but their caloric intake. For European descended people, meat was a luxury, until very recently.

There's all this talk about 'variety'. I grew up eating the same cereal for breakfast and the same sandwiches everyday, for years. Not saying this was a good thing, but none of the hipster food out there was popular (or even known) when I was a kid. We've become obsessed with food.

Again, four macronutrients: protein, carbs, fat, alcohol. That's it!
Humans are omnivores, not sheep. We were designed to eat all of the above, but we don't have to.

Can you reverse heart disease by being vegan? Yes you can; but by doing so you are only reversing damage already caused, which never had to happen in the first place.

If we lived right from the beginning, we wouldn't need to take drastic measures, one of which is radical modification of diet, which can come with its own set of problems.

As regards coronary plaques, you can see what they're made of very easily. They start off as 'fatty steaking' (lipids). We eat too much of the wrong foods and sit on our arses all day, our bad cholesterol goes up, our good cholesterol goes down, our triglycerides go up. Too much meat increases CRP and homocysteine. Diabetes etc.

Evil Pharma? Yes and no. Fall out of a tree 200 years ago and broke a leg; infected wound; tooth abscess; lung infection... Good night.
 
Agian;n872247 said:
PPS A friend of mine is in hospital, as we speak, with chest pain. Please, don't ignore your lipids.
We can beat this heart disease thing if we get in early.

My wife's uncle died on Friday from what was probably a heart attack. Great guy and only 57.
 
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