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Jonny

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Hi All

I was diagnosed with a bicuspid aortic valve a few months back, aged 28, just days after I found out my wife was pregnant with our first child. I live in the UK, where having read a lot of the posts on here, things seem to be handled a little different to the US. I'll try to keep my post as 'light' as possible; I'd really appreciate it if anyone could take the time to read it and share their thoughts and experience as above all else I'm feeling somewhat in the dark as to the significance of my condition.

A little background...

I was born with a heart murmur, and was aware of that growing up but had always been reassured by my parents and doctors that it was of no real significance. I had no real problems as a child, other than one occasion when I collapsed after suffering chest pains whilst on a local charity run with my dad - I would have been about 10 years old. I was taken to hospital and subsequently had an ECG and echocardiogram. Neither showed up any abnormality.

I had a pretty active childhood, playing football (soccer) regularly and playing tennis to a reasonably high standard. The only other note I'd make in this respect is that I'd always had a nagging feeling that I wasn't quite as fit as my peers generally. Even kids who didn't look in as good a physical shape as me seemed to have better endurance, but I never really thought about this too much.

As I entered my early twenties I started to notice a notable decline in my general fitness. In the main I put this down to the fact that I was not playing as much sport as I had in my teens, and maybe picked up one or two bad habits such as drinking a little more than I should, however part of the reason I was playing less sport was because I felt I was struggling to compete physically and often found myself feeling incredibly ill for hours afterwards if I'd really pushed myself as far as I could go.

About five years ago, whilst playing football, I started to notice chest pains again. Not excruciating pains, but certainly disconcerting. My fitness seemed to be getting worse, and I was starting to notice palpitations on a fairly regular basis. My sister had suffered a minor cardiac event around this time too, so I decided to get myself checked out. I had just moved to a new city, and so I went to a NHS walk-in centre where a nurse reluctantly performed an ECG (she felt it a waste of time given my age). She flippantly looked at my results, told me I had nothing to worry about, and then sent me on my way.

Only then, a couple of hours later, she called back. A senior doctor had looked at my ECG and was concerned. She said I needed to see my GP (general practictioner) - not in a week's time, but "today". That got me worried. My doctor didn't do much to reassure me. He nervously looked at my swiftly faxed ECG, left me to stew whilst he went to speak to a colleague and returned to inform me he was sending me to the local emergency chest pain clinic (which, despite the name, didn't have an appointment for me for 10 weeks). I pushed him to tell me what he thought might be the issue, at which point he reluctantly explained that he wanted to rule out left ventricular hypertrophy.

When I visited the clinic, I was given another ECG and sent to meet a cardiologist. He took a look at my new ECG, told me that it was fine and that I had nothing to worry about. I was too young to have cardiac problems. I wasn't entirely convinced, but who am I to argue with a senior doctor when I can write what I know about medicine on the back of a postage stamp. And so I left it there, at least for a few years.

Then, last year, it occurred to me that I was no longer playing any sport, running on the treadmill at the gym for any more than a few minutes was a real struggle and even basic things like walking to the top of the two flights of stairs in our house was leaving me out of breath. Not only that, but I as experiencing increasingly frequent episodes of chest pain and, more significantly, was beginning to get palpitations which coincided with extreme bouts of fatigue. They tended to occur in the early afternoon, and I was regularly finding it hard just to stay awake in the office.

And so I decided to go back to the doctors, who again agreed to refer me back to a cardiologist. This time I saw a different cardiologist, however his demeanor was much the same. His opinion was that I was merely unfit and I was made to feel a little like a time waster, however to his credit he nevertheless referred me for a further ECG, exercise ECG, echo and 48 hour monitor recording.

Shortly after, I was copied into a letter to my GP in which he declared his prediction that they would find no cardiac cause for my symptoms and that I was simply suffering conditioning issues. At this point, I nearly didn't attend those further tests however I'd come this far I decided I may as well finish the job, if only to set my mind at ease that I was merely a hypercondriac.

And so I awaited the results.

This February...

February was a big month for me. One Sunday, late in the month, my wife called me up to the bathroom in order to tell me that she was pregnant. I've not had many, if any, better feelings than that in my life. The following Tuesday I went for my results. I sat in the waiting room feeling inconvenienced rather than nervous. I'd pretty much been told that there was nothing wrong with me, and I couldn't help but feel a little out of place as I sat in a room at least 40 years the junior of anyone else.

Eventually, an hour or so after my original appointment time, it was my turn. The cardiologist flicked through my results. I sensed he hadn't read them prior to me walking through the door. He nonchalantly reeled off the findings of the various tests I had undertaken, all normal. I was, quite literally, about to get up from my seat and apologise for wasting everyone's time before he looked up and said "just one thing".

"You have a bicuspid aortic valve", he declared. It meant precious nothing to me - I'd never heard of it. Some discussion and drawings later, I'd had it explained to me that it was nothing to worry about, was quite common, and simply meant there was a risk that my valve might degenerate a little earlier in life than usual. He want on to say that he would like me to have another echo, as my original had taken place on an old machine that, apparently, didn't take clear images.

I wasn't overly concerned at this point, however as you'd expect upon leaving the hospital, much Googling ensued. It was at this point I became a little nervous.

I went for the extra echo, however other than a letter to suggest that I need another one in 2 years time I've had no more information whatsoever. Despite several valiant efforts to gain access to either my results or a cardiologist, I'm still none the wiser. All I know is I have a bicuspid aortic valve with some degree of regurgitation; I don't know if I have an aneurysm, stenosis or any other related complication.

In this respect I feel somewhat let down by the NHS. They've only given me part of the story and right now I don't know what my future looks like or what I should or shouldn't be doing. In the absence of any support from the professionals, I'd really appreciate any advice or experiences you could share with me.

A few questions...

  • I appreciate that the information I've provided is vague, but what are the chances I am going to need open heart surgery in the near future, further down the line or not at all?
  • I've read, possibly wrongly, that BAV does not necessarily need treating in every individual that has it. Is there a chance that I could live a normal life without ever needing surgical intervention on either the valve or aorta?
  • Assuming I do need surgery, what is the availability of non or minimally invasive surgery like in the US currently? For some reason, I've never been able to stand being touched on the breastbobe (even by myself), so the idea of a sternotomy terrifies me!
  • Are there any vices I simply should not indulge in? I'm not a heavy drinker but I do like a beer. Is there anything else - I know smoking is bad for example?
  • Are there any sports or activities that I should or shouldn't do? I know I shouldn't lift weights, but I have picked up tennis again and would like to swim regularly.
  • Any other advice you'd give to someone in my postition?

Apologies for what's become a long post - this is pretty much just what I've bottled up in my head the last few months so it's good to get it out there. Any thoughts or advice would be genuinely very much appreciated.

Thanks for taking the time out to read. :)

Jonny
 
A few questions...

  • I appreciate that the information I've provided is vague, but what are the chances I am going to need open heart surgery in the near future, further down the line or not at all?
  • I've read, possibly wrongly, that BAV does not necessarily need treating in every individual that has it. Is there a chance that I could live a normal life without ever needing surgical intervention on either the valve or aorta?
  • Assuming I do need surgery, what is the availability of non or minimally invasive surgery like in the US currently? For some reason, I've never been able to stand being touched on the breastbobe (even by myself), so the idea of a sternotomy terrifies me!
  • Are there any vices I simply should not indulge in? I'm not a heavy drinker but I do like a beer. Is there anything else - I know smoking is bad for example?
  • Are there any sports or activities that I should or shouldn't do? I know I shouldn't lift weights, but I have picked up tennis again and would like to swim regularly.
  • Any other advice you'd give to someone in my postition?
Jonny

Hi Jonny. There are many on this board that have, or had, bicuspid valves and have been where you are. Mine was either BAV or caused by rheumatic/scarlet fever....or maybe both and did require surgery at a young age. Many on this board have gone many years before surgery for their bicuspid valves and I am sure that many go a lifetime without needing surgery. Keep contact with your Cardios and have the surgery when it becomes necessary.....and in the meantime, live a normal life and enjoy a normal lifestyle. The longer you can wait, the better the science becomes. Only your docs can advise you on life and/or lifestyle restrictions, but most of us only alter our lives slightly, either before, or after, surgery. This may be all new to you, but be assured....it's doable.
 
Hi,
Congratulations on expecting your first child! I know how scary it can be to find out that you have a heart condition, but it's important to remember that the prognosis for a Bicuspid Aortic Valve is generally excellent, even if your valve gets to the point that surgery is required. I'm surprised by your experience with various Dr's. Perhaps future tests will go better now that they know what to look for. I have read that some people with BAV tend to have lesser endurance than average, so perhaps your symptoms are normal for BAV (I had no symptoms). I'll answer your specific questions in order.

- I think the lifetime odds for requiring surgery for a Bicuspid Aortic Valve are something like 50%, and generally that is later in life, between the ages of 50 and 70 though the valve can deteriorate much earlier. Something like 20% of people with a BAV develop an aortic aneurysm.
- That's absolutely correct. Not everyone with a BAV requires intervention. What you will need are regular tests, every year or two. Typically an echocardiogram to determine how well your valve is functioning, and to check for the development of aortic aneurysm.
- Minimally invasive surgery is becoming more available. Depending on what is being done (valve replacement or also aneurysm repair) sometimes minimally invasive is either not an option, or not the best (safest) option. OHS is no picnic but it's not so bad. Remember, the prognosis is generally excellent.
- I've read that smoking can be bad for aneurysm's, but other than that nothing I know of specific to BAV.
- Advice re. sports can vary. Some Dr's say that heavy weights and sports at a high level of intensity should be avoided, others will say no restrictions. Certainly you should have no problem with recreational tennis and swimming.
- Re. other advice. I suggest you try to find a cardiologist that you are comfortable with and trust. I know you mentioned having some trouble with this, but if you can I suggest to get a copy of the test results whenever you have an echo done. Feel free to discuss the results here to better understand what it means. Dr's don't always fully explain and I know I always have another question after the appointment. To me it sounds like your last Dr. read the results and didn't find anything of concern, and so the typical follow-up is not for another year or two. That is normal. Live and enjoy your life.
 
I also have a bicuspid and will need a valve replacement at some stage. Minimally invasive surgery tends to be done on those with simple valve replacement. They tend to do the full monty for people who need an aorta repaired as well. If things are going well for you, then it is unlikely you'll need an operation for at least another 15 years (if ever). By that time, significant advances will have been made and even if you need a valve replacement, this may not involve an operation.

I believe you should have been advised about your dental hygiene by the doctors you saw. Clean your teeth at least daily, see a dentist at least once a year. This is to minimise the chances of endocarditis (infection going from your mouth to your heart valve); because people with bicuspid have a higher risk of getting this than 'normal' people. Get an echo every year, keep your BP under control, avoid lifting really heavy. Live long and prosper.
 
Hi

welcome aboard (well, you know what I mean :) Firstly you seem to be English and I'm Australian, so there are some nuances of English Psychology that make it different from Australian Psychology. Just getting this up front :)

I'll try to keep my post as 'light' as possible; I'd really appreciate it if anyone could take the time to read it and share their thoughts and experience as above all else I'm feeling somewhat in the dark as to the significance of my condition.

well ... wow ... quite a lot here.

A little background...

I was born with a heart murmur, ....
I had a pretty active childhood, playing football (soccer) regularly and playing tennis to a reasonably high standard.

in some respects you were luckier than many, as you got to have an active childhood. I didn't as the view was that it was something which should be treated carefully. This view was not misguided and by a young age my heart had put on muscle (in responce to the extra load) to be significantly bigger than for my age.

I had my first 'valve fix' done at about 10.

Accordingly I didn't get the shock you did.

as others have given good answers to some of your questions I'll just answer a couple

A few questions...
[*]Assuming I do need surgery, what is the availability of non or minimally invasive surgery like in the US currently? For some reason, I've never been able to stand being touched on the breastbobe (even by myself), so the idea of a sternotomy terrifies me!
[*]Are there any vices I simply should not indulge in? I'm not a heavy drinker but I do like a beer. Is there anything else - I know smoking is bad for example?
[*]Are there any sports or activities that I should or shouldn't do? I know I shouldn't lift weights, but I have picked up tennis again and would like to swim regularly.
[*]Any other advice you'd give to someone in my postition?
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if the idea of a sternotomy terrifies you (which it shouldn't and seems to be related to a fear you should look at with some introspection) then you should consider carefully what I say next. There seems to be a prevailing attitude around here that having multiple surgeries is just "de rigueur" and there is a (verging on) irrational fear of warfarin (aka misnomer blood thinners). The truth is that the opposite is in fact the case:
you should have an apprehension of repeat surgeries and warfarin has minimal risks.

In having multiple surgeries you run the risk of nasty infections in the sternum during the operation (as I currently am dealing with). This hardly appears in the stats (because its not a cause of death typically) and so it is a fact that lurks around that noone seems to know much about (because all they can do is read the internet and the journals).

So with respect to any operations:
1) don't panic, it may not be for some time. Reasonable delay is a good thing (as mentioned) because the technology improves. Having said that there have been no "game changers" in this in the last decade or so. Pictures of Intensive Care Unit and other things taken by my family in 1991 and 2011 look similar and I can say that the main changes seem to be in rehab.

A significant new development is a glue to bond the sternum rather than the traditional wires. Well worth reading about:
http://www.gizmag.com/superglue-greatly-speeds-open-chest-surgery-recovery/16725/

with respect to sports and activities, I'd say the same thing my surgeons always did to me:
"do anything you want, that you feel OK doing. Don't be competitive and try to beat others, just work within your own parameters and set your own limits. Don't push those limits hard."

So I've always gone to 80% rather than "fall down puking" as the serious competitors do. Given what you've said above I reckon you'll be fine.

Lastly while waiting for technical advances, do not make the mistake of speculating on the future and "having this procedure because it could lead to that opportunity". The reality is that while it could it may not. I don't go to casinos and I certainly don't gamble with my life.

Happy to help with more specific questions if you have any :)

As we say back home "You'll be right" and have faith in the fact that hundreds of thousands of these Opeh Heart Surgery operations have been done, and as the old timers here (I'm a young-un, as I had my first OHS in about 1974) and the success rate is really really good (the non success ops are in the main with people with other complicating conditions called co-morbitities for obvious reasons)

:)
 
I just had my aortic valve replaced two weeks ago. They weren't sure it if was truly bicuspid or tri with two of the cusps fused together with the calcification. I was told of a murmer 30 years ago. I had a few routine echos 20 years ago, then nothing was done until I started annual echos 6 years ago. I'd say I was lucky in that I NEVER heard the words "valve replacement" from a Dr. until April of this year. I just lived my life like nothing was wrong until then.

I'd suggest that you get on an annual echo cycle. In addition to the valve area and gradient, you need to be sure that the echo is interpreted for the aortic root dimensions. Enlargement of the root can be more of an issue with the BAV. Get on a regular cycle and maybe you can get it replaced before either the valve or the root become an issue.
 
AZ Don said it best. With one minor addition. If you lift things, or exercise and lift weights, don't hold your breath. Always breathe. Your cardiac vascular system gets really stressed if you exert yourself without breathing.

The echo can only tell so much. My echos said my valve needed replacement in a 6 months to a year, but I didn't really feel any problems. After surgery, the surgeon said my valve was in bad shape. If you feel bad, but the echo says it's not so bad, keep pushing your doctors.
 
Diagnosed with BAV at 28 - some questions

Someone said there has been no "game changers" in the last decade. I would respectfully have to disagree as the TAVR method is being used more and more frequently. Basically, TAVR is a stented aortic valve inserted via your femoral artery and deployed inside of your bicuspid valve. In the past, it was common to try and open up the bicuspid valve with a balloon catheter. The problem with doing that is it would often cause regurgitation. Now they're able to do the same thing, but leave behind a fully functional tissue valve.

TAVR is currently being routinely done. I heard this first hand from people at my local hospital. They used to be done exclusively for people unwilling to have traditional open heart. Now it is more common, and even recently approved for more broad use in Europe.

TAVR is definitely something to watch and keep in mind as a real alternative to open heart in the near future. It is also a good reason to consider the newer 3rd generation tissue valves as the next time they would need replaced, it is very likely they would replace it the TAVR way.
 
Hey Jonny,

I was 23 in june when i had my surgery and let me tell you its not uncommon at this age. At that hospital i had about 14 ppl around my age with valve defect surgeries. I know the first kick it brings a shock. The news takes time to settle down in you esp at the 20's or 30's age. But i feel you should relax. If the doc says one echo in 2 yrs i guess you would be on a mild leak. The valve degenerates slowly but again varies from person to person. I too was really freaked out thinking about a OPEN HEART SURGERY. Yeah it sound really big but trust me it is not the end of the world. It is just another surgery. Answering your question

1 & 2- Surgery time cannot be determined it all varies from person to person you may not need a surgery.
3. Minimal invasion is catching up real fast. If in case you ever need surgery i am sure you would be given an option of minimal invasion
4. Avoid anything that shoots up your blood pressure. Avoid smoking and caffeine. A couple of beers is okay.
5. You can lift weights but LIGHT weights. No lifting heavy weights also while lifting the light weights to remember to breath. Dont hold your breath and lift.
6. My simple advice is live your life. Its just a BAV. Dont think or google about it much and if anything just post it on this site. You have a lot of amazing and inspiring people out here.

All the best. Keep smiling and keep living. :)
 
I think most of the questions have been answered, so I'll toss out some advice of mine from my son who is going on 20 months with BAV and COA.

Our doctors have pretty much said what everyone else is saying in this thread. Don't worry about it, this is a very common, a long healthy life is normally expected and if anything, maybe surgery or if we are lucky, a repair when he is much much older. By then, who knows, new advancements, no open heart etcetc.

I can tell ya, when you're a parent on the heart floor, this is really nothing. A small bump in the road compared to what other kids have or what older adults face. I would go as far to say that most of the docs I talked to say treating BAV is almost cakewalk to them. And believe me, if they can do surgery on my son when he is that small only 10 days after being born, I believe it for adults.

But yeah, surgery is scary. The same as having a issue with your heart. However, you got to understand that surgery is needed and no one is perfect. Just keep on living life. The doctors got this. Just like they got it for the many in this forum.

Oh, and just to emphasize one of your other questions. Yes, you may NEVER need surgery. No one can say for sure as it's different for each patient. But, the chances are still there. I wouldn't put too much thought into either or because again, it's cakewalk. Just enjoy life and cross that bridge when you get there. If you ever have to cross a bridge that is... *fingers crossed*
 
There seems to be a prevailing attitude around here that having multiple surgeries is just "de rigueur" and there is a (verging on) irrational fear of warfarin (aka misnomer blood thinners). The truth is that the opposite is in fact the case: you should have an apprehension of repeat surgeries and warfarin has minimal risks.

I agree. The doctors never told me the myriad issues that could have developed because of the sternotomy. Thankfully, I didn't get any, but the more I read, and talked to people, the luckier I feel (*knocks on wood*). So far, my Warfarin has had zero impact on my life. I still shave with a blade, and when I occasionally nick myself, it's no different than prior to surgery. I haven't had any bad cuts yet, but little scratches and small cuts are no problem at all. The only thing I do differently is to keep some WoundSeal powder in the house, just in case. Well that and I no longer swallow swords. ;)
 
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