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Dee

A friend of mine just told me the other day that I should carry cyan pepper with me at all times. She says if you get a cut and can't get the bleeding to stop to put the cyan pepper on it and it'll stop the bleeding. Has anyone else heard of this and is it true? I guess I'll find out what kind of friend she is, huh? LOL

I'm too chicken to try it.....it sounds painful to me!!

~DeeDee~
 
A cut that won't stop bleeding should cause you to go to the ER not put something on it that might destroy the tissue and inhibit healing.

You are better off to keep your INR between 2.5 and 3.5 because then almost any cut will stop bleeding in a short period of time.

In 6 years of monitoring over 20,000 patient visits, I have never seen anyone, including a sheet metal worker, who had a cut that required a blood transfusion.

This one goes to the Hall of Shame as some of the most outrageous advice given to warfarin patients.
 
Thanks Al! That's pretty much what I thought! You know how everybody has advice, sometimes you rather they didn't! I seriously doubt that this friend of mine has ever tried it, probably heard it on some crazy TV show or something!

While I have your attention, I want to ask you about the INR range. You said and I had been told before that my range should be 2.5 - 3.5 with a mechanical mitral valve, but the last time I was at my Cardio's he said he wanted me between 3.0 - 4.0. I'm not sure why? Do you have any ideas? My INR has been all over the board, but the last couple of weeks I've been able to keep it between 3.3 - 4.0. I would love your input on this! This stuff can be really confusing!:rolleyes:

Thanks~DeeDee~
 
Hi DeeDee...
I had my surgery Aug 29, 2001 and have been taking coumadin ever since. My Doctor says the normal range is between 2.5 and 3.5 and I like to keep it as close as I can to 3.0. There has been two times when my INR went higher went 4 or higher and I got an immediate call from the Dr's office to reduce the dosage for a day.
Knowledge is the key here. Talk to your Doc and have her/him explain in English why 4.0 is best for you. Take notes and ask lots of questions. If you don't understand something ask again.
Hope this helps
Chip:D
 
Dee what town are you in/near? Maybe I know somebody in a lab near you.

The only reason I know to have an INR over 3.5 is if you have had a clot while you were fully anticoagulated. By that I mean when you got to the hospital, you had an INR done and it was in the normal range. If you were taking warfarin but your INR was not done when you had the clot then it cannot be assumed that you were fully anticoagulated.

Do you have a clotting disorder ( Factor V deficiency, Protein C or S deficiency, lupus, antiphospholipid antibody syndrome etc)? These would probably caused you to have a clot at some time in the past.

When your INR gets above 5, you are at more risk for bleeding. I rarely change a warfarin dose for an INR below 5. I might hold one dose for an INR between 4 & 5 (it depends on the patient's history). I use the area between 3.5 and 5.0 as a safety net. The only bad thing about keeping your INR up to 4.0 is that you have less safety net and you are probably at higher risk for bleeding.

There are 2 schools of thought on warfarin management. They both come from the movie Predator. Jesse Ventura (Blaine) when is told that he is bleeding says, "I ain't got time to bleed". (Meaning - don't worry about bleeding 'cause it'll stop.)

On the opposite side is Arnold Schwarzenegger (Col. Dutch) who says, "If it bleeds ve can kill it." (Meaning - try not to cause bleeding - they might die)

Well, I'm in the Jesse Ventura camp. If you bleed you can put pressure on it, put ice on it, cauterize it, suture it, give vitamin K, give fresh frozen plasma, give clotting factors, even give more blood.

If you clot, you get a new valve or are paralyzed for the rest of your life.

I've seen an 80+ year old man with an estimated INR in the 80's who suffered no ill effects. I've seen 17 year old girls with stokes paralyzed on one side of the body.

That is why I do not worry about INRs under 5.0 and rarely hold doses when the iNR is in the 4 range.
 
Thanks Chip for the reply. You're right, I need to ask my Cardio more questions. I always think of them after I leave his office :rolleyes:

Al:
Thank you so much for your expertise!! I live in Glenwood Springs. I don't think we have alot available here since we just recently got our first Cardiologist about 4 months ago. I was his first patient here. I had my surgery in Grand Jct. and this Cardio here is with the practice from Grand Jct. I have a CoaguChek and just call him if I'm out of range. He told me not to call unless I'm 4.5 or higher. A month or so ago I got up to 6.6 but that hasn't happened again. The highest since then was 4.5. He has me taking 7.5 everyday. I do eat quite a bit of greens though. I really appreciate all of your input!! We are so lucky to have someone like you at VR.Com!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!! I look forward to meeting you at the reunion!!

~DeeDee~ :)
 
Bleeding Beats Clotting..

Bleeding Beats Clotting..

I like the "better to bleed than clot" theory.

Thats why I try to keep my INR as close to 4.0 as possible. I have the protime for testing at home so this is easy to do and I have been succesful at keeping it there for almost 5 years now.

Bleeding Can be Reversed.
Clotting is Final.

Of course both are very serious, but it is just my own personal opinion that I would rather err on the side of the lesser evil.


Just a thought,
 
Al:
I forgot to tell you that I haven't had any problems with clotting. I had emergency open heart surgery for a myxoma that was attached to my mitral valve. There was never any mention of a clotting problem. :confused:

It also seems like the slightest adjustment to my warfarin really causes it to dip or spike. The one time I was 6.6, I skipped that nights dose and the next day it was down to 2. something. Is it normal to 'swing' that much?

Thanks again for all of your input! I appreciate it so much!!

~DeeDee~
 
Hank

Hank

I always was of the mindset that it is better to bleed than to clot as I felt at least if I was bleeding with a little Vit K injection it could be stopped and a major disaster could be prevented vs the clotting and stroking route.

Well, I guess I changed my mind. Let's just say I think it is better to try to stay at a nice medium level, not too high and not too low. My theory didn't quite work out last summer as you know as simply as I thought it would. Very painful to bleed, and very inconvenient to stroke. Just be careful not to go too high.
 
Dee

Your warfarin dose is fairly large. The reason that you take a large dose is that you metabolize it very fast. People who take large doses will have the bottom drop out of their INR if they hold a dose. Your fluctuations are to be expected with your dose. It takes a little nerve to have an INR of 6.6 and not skip a dose but maybe take half a dose instead. But after you see what happens a few times when your INR sinks you will decide that it takes more nerve to hold a dose. Then you will be a true warfarin pro.

Gisele

RCB may hold the record for the person who has taken warfarin the longest but you should probably be in the Guinness Book of Records as the person who survived the most subdural hematomas. If there is anyone who survived more than three I'd bet that they are not doing as well as you are.
 
Al

Al

I am very lucky and I had a wonderful cardiologist who was on top of everything. How do you thank someone for making a decision that saves your life? The only way I knew was to give him a big hug after one of my visits.............:)

I also had a bleed in my hip from Lovenox. I think I just wasn't getting along with my anticoagulants the past few years. Now I just have to make sure I never develop A-fib, or if I do that there might be a new drug on the market by then that won't affect me like Coumadin and Lovenox.
 
Gisele,

Do you happen to know if they over-sewed your left atrial appendage when you had your last valve surgery.

When I had the ischemic colitis, a doctor came in and told me that I would probably need another heart surgery to have this appendage oversewn to reduce the chance of another clot. I was happy to tell them that it had already been done. I had an INR of 4.0 on admission. The only conclusion of all my doctors was to keep me out of atrial fib, which I had had quite often both before and after surgery.
 
Betty, how would I know if they oversewn my left atrial appendage?
 
Betty, I have the op report, but there is no mention of oversewing my left atrial appendage, unless it could be worded differently. Guess I am not sure what I am looking for on my op report.:confused:
 
Gisele,

You might want to call your surgeons office for the info. I don't think they routinely do it. I had never heard of it until I had it done. It added quite a bit of time to the surgery and time on the pump but the surgeon seemed to think that in at least my case it was necessary.

You had a little clot, that was discovered in surgery, forming on your old valve didn't you? But you were off coumadin for quite a while.

Are you getting back your energy yet? Ski slopes for next winter!
 
HIYAAOOOWWWWEEEIII!!!!


Ok, have you ever tried a recipe that called for cutting up cayenne (or any other type of) hot pepper???


Ever notice that they usually suggest using goves when handling peppers and cleaning your hands thoroughly after you're finished, and not touching your eyes or bare skin while cutting said peppers?

Do you know WHY that is?



The stuff that's in peppers that makes them hot WILL burn your skin (among other tissues found on the human body) and you really shouldn't be applying that stuff anywhere intentionally....

Well ummm...

No, we won't get in to that.

Anyways, capsaicin is the stuff that's in peppers that makes 'em hot. It's an irritant. it can cause pain relief if exposed to nerve endings, blocking some kind of chemical that's involved in the transmission of messages to the brain, but it wouldn't do anything for cut other than make the problem worse.
 
I know, I know, it was a stupid question!

I couldn't even imagine putting something like that on a cut, but this friend just kept after me about it and so I thought I would check with the 'experts' (VR.com)!! ;)

Just wait 'til I talk to my friend again........she's going to feel a little silly!!:rolleyes: Kinda like I do now. LOL
 
Dee,,,
Never ever feel silly about asking questions. Knowledge (yours) is the key. The more you know the better you will be.
I whish I had found this site when I had my surgery. I have only been looking at it for a few days and have already learned a lot.
Remember, write your questions down a few days or so before you meet with your Doc. Don't be bashful and ask the questions.
Remember thats what she/he went to school for...If you don't ask they may not know what's on your mind.
Keep smiling and keep the attitude up and trust that God will make everything right.
Chip
:D
 
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