CoQ 10

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Barbara Stewart

There is a thread on the pre-surgery section regarding CoQ 10. What can someone tell me about this drug? I've seen it in stores, but am reluctant to buy supplements I don't know anything about. Right now, in addition to my prescription drugs, I only take a good multi-vitamin, fish oil and calcium. I'd like to know if this is something I should add?

Thanks,
Barbara
 
Coenzyme Q10 is not compatible with beta blockers. Most of us wind up taking beta blockers after surgery, if not before. I take Atenolol. I have a bottle of unopened CoQ10 capsules. Anyone who wants them is welcome to them.

CoQ10 is produced by the body, and is ubiquitous (found everywhere) in the body. In some instances, there are lower levels of it in people who have certain heart conditions. However, there is no proven cause-and-effect relationship. They may simply be separate symptoms created by the same set of health problems.

Aside from not playing nice with beta blockers, it does bring another concern. If you start taking it orally, it will raise your levels somewhat. However, your body then starts to produce less of it. The end result is still slightly raised levels of COQ10.

So what's wrong with that? Nothing. Unless you stop taking it. Then your levels go into a steep drop until your body takes over producing it again, which can take days or weeks. At that point, you definitely have a deficit (which you likely didn't have in the first place).

I don't like taking something that has dubious benefits to start off with, and can cause problems if I run out or forget to take it on vacation.

Best wishes,
 
when taking Lipitor, I complained of muscle cramps to my dr's assistant who suggested adding CoQ10. I did not do it. And eventually discontinued the Lipitor anyhow. I agree with the above post.
 
CoQ10 - an excellent heart supplement

CoQ10 - an excellent heart supplement

Bob is right is right in one respect - it is ubiquitous in your body. It is also known as Ubiquinone because of that. It is an important enzyme in the energy synthesis cycles. It is prevalent in your cells, especially in the mitchondria, and CoQ10 is especially concentrated in your heart.

It is not compatible with beta blockers and statin drugs in that they depress your body's ability to make CoQ10. Medical researchers are beginning to see a link between statin drug use and Congestive Heart Failure because of this. In Japan, where almost all the world's supply of CoQ10 is made, CoQ10 is a prescription drug and is used extensively in the treatment of CHF. Merck has a patent on the combination of Statins and CoQ10. Cynically, I suspect that when their patent on Statins alone runs out, they will all of a sudden "discover" that statins deplete your body's reserve of CoQ10.

There is research out there where surgeons are giving coQ10 before and after OHS and surprisingly, it protects the heart from free radical damage and reduces the stress on the heart and brain while on the pump.

In my own case, I had a congenital VSD and a ruptured aneurysm in the sinus of valsalva - two holes with left to right shunts that resulted in me recycling two thirds of my blood. Talk about a load on my heart! Echos showed my Ejection Fraction going down to 35% over a period of a couple years. I started taking CoQ10 and my Ejection Fraction came right back up to 58%. This probably reduced the symptoms I experienced before surgery. My recovery from surgery was remarkably quick and pain free (I was off all pain medication after 5 days). I attribute this to a great surgeon, CoQ10, being in relatively good shape and walking alot, in that order.

In the lead up to surgery, I mentioned to my PCP, my cario and my surgeon that I was taking CoQ10 (among other things) and asked if I should discontinue it. They all encouraged me to keep taking it. I only missed it for the 3 days I was in the hospital. Even when my PCP put me on Coumadin (I was in Afib for two months), he told me to keep taking the CoQ10. If you're on Coumadin already, it may effect your INR, so adjust accordingly.

As you can tell, I am a big believer in CoQ10. I continue to use it 8 months after surgery, but am on a much lower dose now. I was taking 300mg per day, now 150mg per day and will probably taper off to less than 100 soon. But I will continue to take it over the long term because of its anti-oxidant and anti-aging effects.

Just my opinion... but there's alot of good articles out there if you want to Google them. I reference two on that thread re: supplements in the PreSurgery forum.

Nasdrovia, Yasou, Sante, To Your Health -

Jeff
 
I'm not antagonistic to the use of CoQ10 by others, but I suggest caution in determining its benefits, efficacy, and contraindications.

The links provided in the mentioned post for CoQ10 are interpretational monologues citing carefully selected favorable studies, some of which are old and have been since discounted. Both articles linked refer to subsets of the same, few favorable studies and articles, two of which are test tube studies, one which is not a study, but an interpretation of other studies, another which is a rat study, and another citing patients being released from the hospital earlier on CoQ10 - by the choice of the same doctors who were doing the funded research.

The studies cited were all small. The most interesting one to me, and referred to in the other post, purported to show that CoQ10 levels were significantly improved in atrial tissue after OHS. This study included only 24 individuals, including those taking the placebo. The articles failed to mention that the significant increases were found in the tissues of some patients over 70, and not in all the patients. The studies and articles appeared in small trade journals, rather than the NEJM, The Lancet, or other major publications.

Looking at other sources that do not gain financially from reporting on herbal/nutritional supplements:

The Mayo Clinic site comments found most often in listings of proposed uses of CoQ10 are "Most trials are small or not well designed," "results are variable," and "Better research is needed in this area."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coenzyme-q10/NS_patient-coenzymeq10

The Linus Pauling Institute Micronutrient Information Center, as posted on the Oregon State Education Infocenter site, sends more specific messages regarding efficacy and conditions of usage:

"...it is not clear whether oral supplementation increases coenzyme Q10 concentrations in other tissues of individuals with normal endogenous coenzyme Q10 synthesis. Oral coenzyme Q10 supplementation of young healthy animals has not generally resulted in increased tissue concentrations, other than in the liver, spleen, and blood vessels (15, 16). Supplementation of healthy men with 120 mg/d for 3 weeks did not increase muscle concentrations of coenzyme Q10 (17). "

"Although one study in the 1970's found that weekly coenzyme Q10 injections increased the lifespan of mice, those results have not been replicated. In more recent studies, lifelong dietary supplementation with coenzyme Q10 did not increase the life spans of rats or mice (15). Presently, there is no scientific evidence that coenzyme Q10 supplementation prolongs life or prevents age-related functional declines in humans."

"...there is little evidence that it improves athletic performance in healthy individuals...Two studies actually found significantly greater improvement in measures of anaerobic (60) and aerobic (61) exercise performance after supplementation with a placebo compared to coenzyme Q10"

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/coq10/index.html

On a Q10-positive note, there is agreement that in certain disease conditions, reduced levels of CoQ10 generally exist, but there is a lack of evidence that raising the amount of serum CQ10 has a positive effect on the disease states. There is no case made for health improvements in healthy individuals.

There is general agreement that supplementation can assist for cases of CoQ10 deficiency, but the concensus is that it's very uncommon, generally linked to genetic mitochondrial problems. (Per the Linus Pauling Institute: ""No coenzyme Q10 deficiency symptoms have been reported in the general population.")

Areas in which there are small, but positive studies include some possible benefits for those over 70 who may have lower levels of the chemical. Also, small trials showed some short-term gains for some patients undergoing CABG. The results are not stratified by age groups, and may also relate to an over-70 connection. The studies have small subject groups, and there were no followups to see if any perceived advantage remains beyond the first days following surgery.

As far as drug interactions, the Pauling Institute indicates that CoQ10 reduces the effects of warfarin (Coumadin), apparently in a way that can be measured via INR, so test and dose the diet, if you're taking it, and don't go on and off it too much. Check Al Lodwick's site to see what he says.

As mentioned in earlier posts, oral doses are antagonistic to beta blockers, which most valve patients take for at least a while after surgery.

There are very mixed results in studies involving statins, such as Lipitor and Pravachol. Older studies say they reduce CoQ10 levels. Newer studies say they don't. Simvastatin has been shown to reduce serum (blood) CoQ10 levels in rats, but there are no studies that show the same effect in humans. The older Lipitor and Pravachol studies may have been largely animal studies as well, suggesting that human CoQ10-cholesterol relationships may not respond in the same way as those in rodents and dogs. I'm no fan of statins, but the jury is still out on this one.

Other cautions (this from Pauling again): CoQ10 may lower blood sugar levels. Caution is advised in patients with diabetes or hypoglycemia, and in those taking drugs, herbs, or supplements that affect blood sugar. Serum glucose levels may need to be monitored by a healthcare provider, and medication adjustments may be necessary.

Best wishes,
 
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