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ALCapshaw2

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I seem to recall reading that a Chronic Cough could be a sign of heart and / or lung issues, but don't remember any more about it.

Can someone tell me if this could be a concern for Heart / Valve patients, and what the issues are?

Thanks in advance.

'AL Capshaw'
 
It could be a bacterial infection. I would call my doctor! The chronic cough is what brought me to the proper DX. It had nothing to do with my heart. Nasty infection. As soon as I ran the course of antibiotics......gone.
 
Hi Al....

Hi Al....

I have been told that a chronic cough goes hand in hand with CHF...I keep going in and out of heart failure and when I have "inflated" from the congestive fluid, I get this chronic cough....once I have taken my lasix and lost enough fluid, the cough goes away until the next time I have gained fluid...I know that not everyone is the same, but I posted this as I thought it might help, and I hope and pray that it does help ya in some small way...Harrybaby666 :D :D :D
 
Al

Al

My hubby was put on lisinopril..but made him cough so badly. It was changed to Coreg over a year ago..No coughing.. :) Could it be one of your meds? Bonnie
 
It was horrible!

It was horrible!

Hi there Al, I remember that during the time I was really sick before my first surgey, I would cough for months on end until I practically passed out. Night time was the worst and I dreaded it because I would literally fall asleep sitting at the dining room table. By that time, my heart was already enlarged, and that was when the doctor decided that unless they tried surgery, I wouldn't last another 2 months. I only weighed 21 killos at the age of ten and two of those were due to retention of fluid in my body. I was taking digoxin, lasix, aldactone, potassium, you name it! All in I had to take about 15 different types of medicine but they just weren't working anymore! Talk about beating the odds!LOL!!
Débora
 
Al,
You can have a chronic cough if fluid is backing up in your lungs- CHF . One of the side effects of ace inhibitors- (zestril, lisinopril )- is a chronic cough. I was on lisinopril for 3 months before I developed a cough- it is just a constant nagging cough. I know that you see your doctor if you are having a cough...right? I hope everything is going ok for you. Take care.
KathyH
 
Kathy

Kathy

My Hubby started coughing within a few weeks..on Lisinopril... Was sooo mad..but made him go back to see the Cardio who put him on it..changed to Coreg...Over a year now on coreg. no coughing...B/P great...He is a very healthy age 74 year old..that never see a PCP...The Cardio who put him on it..canceled his last appointment..Now, he will see him next April....Bonnie
 
Thank you all for your replies.

I was on Zestril *before* my surgery and it did make me cough. Switched to Cozaar and no more problems.

AFTER surgery, I was taken off most of my meds. Only taking Sotalol (generic form of BetaPace) to control A-Fib, Enteric Aspirin (81mg), Coumadin, and Prilosec now.

The link to CHF seems the most likely. I monitor my weight and most of the time I am NOT taking any Lasix, only when I see a weight gain. BUT, if I'm losing weight (which I need to do), then that could throw my CHF indicators off. Might be worth a dose or two of Lasix to see if it stops the cough. Thanks for the tip Harry!

Yes Kathy, I did see my PCP who ordered a throat culture which came back negative, thank goodness.

I'm scheduled for a follow up visit with my cardio to review my recent 30 day heart monitor results which captured some irregular heart beats (most likely PAC's). It will be interesting to see what he suggests since the Sotalol can actually be a CAUSE of PAC's. It sure is hard to keep one's balance on this medical tightrope we all walk!

Thanks again everyone.

'AL'
 
No Problem Al...

No Problem Al...

I have been going in and out of CHF for the past week, and let me tell ya...one day I was really having a rough time with coughing and chest pains...I took 80 mgs of Lasix one morning and twice more each morning and over 3 days I lost 16 lbs of water.....and the doctor's tell me I am fine....HA!!! I DON'T THINK SO!! LOL...anyway, I hope that you feel better asap...Harrybaby666 :D :D :D
 
See if you could see my face right now, you'd be seeing a very wide, sarcastic smile....


Chronic cough's are a bit of a specialty for me as it's the first thing that "got" me into this mess and it's been with me ever sense.


First off, a few clarifications are in order:


Chronic heart failure is defined as the inability of the heart to pump as efficiently as it's supposed to. That's it. The levels of heart failure are determined by the symptoms and generally (depending on the sort of doctor you talk to) if you have a heart condition, you are in some form of heart failure, always. The most minor form shows almost no outside signs or symptoms. If you show a slightly enlarged heart on an x-ray, you're in heart failure, but only because one of (usually left as I recall) your ventricles is bigger than usual. Beyond that, the next few signs to show up are (drum roll please...) fluid retention in the lungs and or extremeties. Fluid in the lungs causes a chronic cough.

I won't get into the rest of the symtoms unless someone wants me to. You can look 'em up on-line failry easy.

The other possible side-effect of an enlarged heart is in the pressure it may be putting on a bundle of nerves located at the base of the bronchial tubes where they split to deliver air to the lungs when you breath. The bundle branch (I've forgotten the specific term) is sensitive to the touch and it's possible that the enlarged heart may actually be pushing up against the bundle, especially when it's pumping hard during exercise, causing a cough reflex.

Then you got your other causes: side-effects of medications like lisinopril and a few other ACE inhibitors, acid reflux (who all is on Prilosec???) can cause a chronic cough too.


The difficulty that my doctors and I have been having is in tracking down what's most likely MULTIPLE causes for the same stupid and annoying cough. For a while it was quite clear that it was CHF, but then it would go away and come back. Before surgery I coughed nearly ALL the time, it was debilitating and probably one of the worse experiences I've had in the entire process of recieving an artificial heart valve (that I can remember anyways.)

After surgery, it went away a LOT, but it was still there and it VERY slowly got worse again until we started tracking down the possiblity of an acid reflux problem. Now, my cough is most prominent in the mornings after I get up out of bed, but not ALWAYS there and not always with the same intensity. On occassion, it will also come up at night or in the afternoons. I've also noticed some correlations between the cough and very salty foods or even just eating a lot more than usual in a meal.


One last thought on diuretics (mind you, I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV.) Generally, I stay close to the same dose at the same time for my diuretics every day. I take 60mg in the morning, 60mg and night, whether I "feel" like I need it or not. Sometimes I DO feel like I'm overloading on fluids and my doctor's given me permission to go ahead and either take an additional 40mg same mid-afternoon or later at night, or take 80mg instead of 60mg at dinner time. I don't do that often and it's usually when I haven't been able to avoid really salty foods without starving myself...

Just saying.
 
Very interesting!

Very interesting!

Thank you Al for such a good explanation on the whole thing. Now I can fully understand why I had that terrible cough back in the 70's. Does that mean though that if you don't get the cough your heart isn't enlarged and there's no retention of fluid? What about a permanent enlarged left atria as a result of the severity of the problem especially before the first surgery?! Any comments? I hope you get rid of your cough soon and it's very important for your cardio to know that it happens mostly in the mornings for it might help him determine the cause.
Débora
 
I'm one of those who cannot take lisinopril or any ACE inhibitor because of the resultant cough. I started taking lisinopril several years ago, when my high blood pressure was first diagnosed, but my primary physician quickly switched me to cozaar. I don't get just an "annoying" cough, it is a horrific cough that just tears my chest apart & drives everybody around me nuts. At the hospital, after my valve repair, they gave me another ACE inhibitor -- captopril -- among all my other meds. I didn't realize what it was until I started coughing (and you all know what fun that is right after OHS!), and investigated. I quickly went back on cozaar which I still take. I also take coreg.

I don't think it takes much for people who have heart problems, and who may be having fluid retention problems, to develop bad coughs.

This summer I came down with what I think was just a bad cold but it left me with a cough that would not go away. I went to see my primary physician, who put me on antibiotics for a week "just in case." He said normally he would not prescribe antibiotics for what was probably a viral infection, but was doing it in my case because of my valve issues. The cough persisted for several weeks; at one point the only thing that helped was codeine cough syrup, which I hate; it was an indication of how bad the cough was that I was gulping the horrible stuff down almost every night.

After a few weeks the cough went away & I haven't been bothered with it since.

I wondered whether it was CHF-related. I still don't know the answer to that, and neither, apparently, do my doctors, at least not for sure.

At one time (right after my valve regurgitation was diagnosed late in 2003) I was told I had CHF. My cardiologist now doesn't seem to think I have CHF. Since my surgery my left ventricle has supposedly regained "normal" size and my EF was 53 (low, but within "normal" range) according to a MUGA test, so now he says, basically, that I don't have CHF. And he thinks the cough was ... just a cough.

But if I ever get one that bad again, I will go IMMEDIATELY to the doctor, instead of waiting as long as I did this summer.
 
Just to add, although i'm not sure it'll be of any help. But when Chloe took the ace-inhibitor 'captopril' before her MVR she had THE most horrendous cough!!!! - it was awful and made her throw up at least 2 - 3 times every night (NO exaggeration!). Soon as she came off the drug, the cough stopped so when she came to go back on an ace-inhibitor last year, they tried her on enalapril and we have no cough.
So i know some medications do have this side effect. Having said that, she also developed a cough when she was in heart failure too and had very 'wet' lungs, so checking with your cardi as you're going to is probably the best idea.

Sorry to not be more help
Emma
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