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debster913

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Hi, all--
Just saw an electrophysiologist after my cardio. diagnosed me in December with ventricular tachycardia. The ol' mitral valve is leaky as ever, but still no replacement in the cards any time soon. The EP scheduled me to have a catheter ablation on Feb. 13.
Have any of you had one? I pretty much know what to expect (I was given loads of literature on the subject), but it would be nice to know from a personal-experience perspective what it's like.
I'm not looking forward to this procedure at all.
Thanks in advance--
Debbie
 
Second opinion

Second opinion

I would really advise a second opinion before the ablation. Other than
being asleep most of the time the procedure experience will be like a normal
heart cath. EP is a developing medical field, with outcomes in doubt. You need to ask specific questions like why do I need this, what are the possible
outcomes, what are the risk, what is the EP's track record with this procedure. Do not be passive about the situation! Good luck:)
 
I had the procedure done for a-flutter. Being that there was one electrical path to locate AND it was acting up when the catheter reached my heart, my procedure didn't last all that long. I was out during the procedure and pretty looping from the pain meds afterward. A little pain the next day; told the nurse I felt like I was burned in my heart. She said, "you were". By the next day no pain that I remember. So far my ablation was a success, but a-flutter is a simpler condition also.
 
debster913 said:
Hi, all--
Just saw an electrophysiologist after my cardio. diagnosed me in December with ventricular tachycardia. The ol' mitral valve is leaky as ever, but still no replacement in the cards any time soon. The EP scheduled me to have a catheter ablation on Feb. 13.
Have any of you had one? I pretty much know what to expect (I was given loads of literature on the subject), but it would be nice to know from a personal-experience perspective what it's like.
I'm not looking forward to this procedure at all.
Thanks in advance--
Debbie

By all means get a second opinion. Experience is everything in the ablation business. There are some worrisome complications of the procedure. Find out who is the best in your area. Ask your cardiologist where he/she would go for the procedure. I live in northern Virginia and my hospital has a group of EP's but if I needed ablation I would go to University of Vermont!
 
Ablation

Ablation

I have had 4 ablations with the last one being successful. Mine were not easy and a couple had dire consequences. I would get a second opinion and find out if a medication trial would be possible.
Kathy
 
Kathleen said:
I have had 4 ablations with the last one being successful. Mine were not easy and a couple had dire consequences. I would get a second opinion and find out if a medication trial would be possible.
Kathy

Kathleen, while I am aware of the high occurence of complications and/or failure of ablations, I don't personally know what they are and was wondering if you could share your experiences. Maybe it is a good thing I didn't know much when I went in for the procedure (and I had an EP who came highly recommended, Dr. Rukavina (spelling?) in Lexington KY). Now I am just wanting to learn more about that. Thanks
 
Hi, I've had 3 ablations - one for AV nodal Reentry Tachycardia and two for Ventricular Tachycardia (VT). Its my understanding that since I've had a previous heart attack - that VT is not as successful to ablate as idiopathic VT which means - there is no known reason for VT (idiopathic). In other words since I've had a heart attack - I have 'scar' tissue and that generally can cause people to have (VT). Those with previous heart attacks are much harder to track and ablate 100% from what I was told several years ago. You really do want to check the percentage of ablations the hospital and the EP doctor have done and their success rate for each type of ablation. Those are very important to know. I can honestly say my VT ablation help to subsided my VT's - but they still came back with a vengence. Enough so that I had to get an ICD.. VT's are nothing to take lightly unless you've had no other cardiac history - even then I would take them seriously. I know Brigham and Womens' Hospital has a world renowned EP - Dr. William Stevenson. I personally would not go anyplace with my EP - he's a genius - but VT's are very hard to ablate - 100% and that's another thing you want to ask - if they tell you they have a 100% success rate - ask if the patients have to take drugs afterwards? That's another important question. Its very hard to know 'what' questions to ask.

Marty, What facility at the University of Vermont does VT ablations? What hospital is that. I know some kids who went to Univ of Vermont and it was a unitversity not a hospital? I go to Dartmouth Hitchcock Memorial Hospital (DHMC) in Hanover NH - which the facility is located very close to Vermont. I think they're excellent hospital - I wouldn't go anywhere else except maybe Cleveland Clinic - but I'm saying that's only from my own personal experience. I have had excellent medicaL care at DHMC from a Dr. Mark Greenberg (electrophysciologist). He's the best in my opinion. You want to make sure the (EP) doctor has a degree in Electrophysciology (EP) as well as Internal Medicine and Cardiology - plus Electrophysciology. In other words you need a good 'electrician'. There are very few qualified EP for VT's in the Northeast. I hope this helps you. Always 'ask' lots of questions. This is one dangerous area of the heart that you don't want just any doc hanging a shingle. :)

Just out of curiousity are your VT's monomorphic or polymorphic? and are they sustained or non-sustained?

Best
Marilyn
 
Fletcher Allen Health Care Center is the hospital at UVM, but why there, Marty? My mom has had two failed ablations for atrial tachycardia and is considering a mini-maze. Is there someone especially gifted with ablations at Fletcher Allen? Do tell!
 
Ablation experience

Ablation experience

Wise said:
Kathleen, while I am aware of the high occurence of complications and/or failure of ablations, I don't personally know what they are and was wondering if you could share your experiences. Maybe it is a good thing I didn't know much when I went in for the procedure (and I had an EP who came highly recommended, Dr. Rukavina (spelling?) in Lexington KY). Now I am just wanting to learn more about that. Thanks
Wise,
I certainly can understand your want of knowledge on ablations since they can be quite interesting. My medical history is quite complicated and certainly not the norm for others. My EP (wonderful wonderful man) is going to be publishing my case and I certainly will be happy to post a link to it when it is finished. He also presented my history at the Heart Rhythm Society in San Francisco last fall. Short synopsis, SA node ablated and pacemaker implanted AV node tried and tried but could not get (7 hours), 5 months later tried the AV node again (5 hours) no go, one hour later tried again but dye leaked into right coronary artery which resulted in massive heart attack and flat lining, 6 stents placed but no AV node success, fast forward 3 months after many many nation wide calls and meetings my doctor came up with a procedure that makes about a 6 inch incision under the breast and then they puncture through the heart and hopefully ablate the node which by then is suspected to be on the other side of my heart. Frightening but successful. They found WPW and a Mahaim Fiber which has never been documented at the hospital...it is now gone. Google that one. Jump forward 2 months to a sudden cardiac death episode while driving. VFib found from interrogation of pacemaker. Pacemaker explanted and ICD implanted. Been a tough year. Hopefully you are not sorry you asked for info. Anytime you want to visit about ablations feel free. I will get busy and do a story of my medical saga as soon as it does not seem so surreal to me.
And all this is just the last year--my first OHS was 27 years ago--thats another story.
Kathy
 
(that VT is not as successful to ablate as idiopathic VT which means - there is no known reason for VT (idiopathic). In other words since I've had a heart attack - I have 'scar' tissue and that generally can cause people to have (VT). Those with previous heart attacks are much harder to track and ablate 100% from what I was told several years ago. )

Same here--I had a heart attack 30 years ago. My cardiologist believes this is what caused my VT, but then again, I have MVR too. Atenolol isn't doing the trick anymore in keeping my arrythmia under control (I have been on it for seven years), even after my cardio had me split my pills and take half in the AM and the other half at night. It was a severe episode of VT that I recorded while wearing my event monitor for a month that alerted my cardio.

I did in fact get a second opinion (which I failed to mention in my original post--both EPs agreed that ablation would be appropriate), and will be having my procedure done by one of the top EPs in Southern California. But thanks for suggesting it. Still, the EP wants to try and treat the VT through ablation.


Thank you all for your responses!
Debbie (debster 913)
 
Kathleen said:
Wise,
I certainly can understand your want of knowledge on ablations since they can be quite interesting. My medical history is quite complicated and certainly not the norm for others. My EP (wonderful wonderful man) is going to be publishing my case and I certainly will be happy to post a link to it when it is finished. He also presented my history at the Heart Rhythm Society in San Francisco last fall. Short synopsis, SA node ablated and pacemaker implanted AV node tried and tried but could not get (7 hours), 5 months later tried the AV node again (5 hours) no go, one hour later tried again but dye leaked into right coronary artery which resulted in massive heart attack and flat lining, 6 stents placed but no AV node success, fast forward 3 months after many many nation wide calls and meetings my doctor came up with a procedure that makes about a 6 inch incision under the breast and then they puncture through the heart and hopefully ablate the node which by then is suspected to be on the other side of my heart. Frightening but successful. They found WPW and a Mahaim Fiber which has never been documented at the hospital...it is now gone. Google that one. Jump forward 2 months to a sudden cardiac death episode while driving. VFib found from interrogation of pacemaker. Pacemaker explanted and ICD implanted. Been a tough year. Hopefully you are not sorry you asked for info. Anytime you want to visit about ablations feel free. I will get busy and do a story of my medical saga as soon as it does not seem so surreal to me.
And all this is just the last year--my first OHS was 27 years ago--thats another story.
Kathy


Kathy,
When I read your post, I remembered that you posted to my thread when I discovered I had pericardial constriction. Did the removal of the pericardium factor into the VT? Or did the VT factor into the removal of the pericardium?
Thanks,
Mary
 
Different Tachycardias

Different Tachycardias

Just want to mention something so that some of the folks reading this won't freak out about a less concerning but similarly named heart event that they themselves may have encountered.

What is being referred to in this thread is Ventricular Tachycardia, which is a dangerous arrhythmia. It's not to be confused with the general term tachycardia, which usually refers to the less concerning and far more common Sinus Tachycardia.

Sinus Tachycardia is a fairly commonplace heart event in which the heart continues to beat too fast after stimulation or exercise, rather than slowing back down to its normal resting pulse. It's often resultant from fatigue or overexcitement. Note that during exercise, ST is a normal heart response, and is signified by the rise in your heart rate. It's only a problem when it doesn't slow down afterward.

Tachycardia means that the heart is beating too rapidly (resting rate over 100 bpm). But in the Sinus Tachycardia variety, the heart's electrical system is functioning normally, except for its speed. Certainly, ST does cause the heart to beat inefficiently, due to the ventricles not having time to completely fill between beats, and it will result in fatigue and discomfort. And if it continues for any length of time, it should also be monitored by professionals and may be treated by conversion. But Sinus Tachycardia doesn't tend toward repeat performances, and usually does stop on its own without hospitalization or intervention.

In Ventricular Tachycardia, the ventricles fire more rapidly and often than the atria, sometimes due to an uncontrolled feedback of electricity through the nerve pathways. The electrical signals are out of synch, and sometimes at odds with each other. In some cases, the patient is able to tolerate the VT fairly well. However, in other cases, the heart may not be able to pump enough blood to the rest of the body, causing low blood pressure, syncope (fainting or feeling faint), and dyspnea (shortness of breath). This naturally becomes worse, the longer the VT attack lasts. Because it causes this inability to provide proper blood volume, VT is potentially fatal on its own. It can also lead into Ventricular Fibrillation, which is a similar arrhythmia in which the ventricles "flutter," instead of properly contracting, almost completely robbing them of the ability to pump blood at all. VF usually leads to collapse and often leads to death if intervention is not rapidly available.

To quantify the issue of VT and VF, here is a piece from Ventricular Tachycardia, by Steven J Compton, MD, FACC, FACP, at http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2367.htm
The incidence of VT in the United States is not well quantified because of the clinical overlap of VT with VF. Examination of sudden death data provides a rough estimate of VT incidence. Most sudden cardiac deaths are caused by VT or VF, at an estimated rate of approximately 300,000 deaths per year in the United States, or about half of the estimated cardiac mortality in this country. This translates to an incidence of 0.1-0.2.0% per year.
Okay, apart from unintentionally scaring everyone worse, here's what you might want to take out of this:

- The discussions in this thread have been about Ventricular Tachycardia, not the more common Sinus Tachycardia. If you have had Sinus Tachycardia, the talk about ablation is probably not relevant to you.

- Ventricular Tachycardia and its sometimes companion Ventricular Fibrillation are life-threatening, and VT frequently leads to the installation of an internal defibrillator for that reason. That's why it's considered worthwhile to attempt to treat it with ablation.

Best wishes,
 
Thanks, Bob, for your insight into VT. This is exactly why my cardio wanted to treat my arrythmia right away. I am aware of the danger of VT and am sympomatic (palpitations, fatigue, shortness of breath...).

I've been seeing my current cardiologist for about four years; however, my previous cardio wasn't a very effective doctor. He was the one who prescribed atenolol for me and originally diagnosed me with arrythmia. He never told me what type it was, and in my naievete, I never asked. I was 23 at the time and largely unaware of my own heart issues. My current cardio is wonderful; and after sensing worsening problems with my heart rhythm and mitral valve in 2004, has been having me go in for tests to fully diagnose what's wrong. (My old cardio never had me tested for anything; he just prescribed medicine and freaked me out with "You could have sudden death!!!")

Another thing I am concerned about is having to stop taking the atenolol a week before my ablation. Even if I barely skip a day, I'm all palpitaty (if that's even a word) and shaky. Imagine what a week would be like.

Again, thanks for your responses. The ablation is less than a month away now!
Debbie
 
Med

Med

Debbie
I did find a half tablet of the lowest mg of Xanax did help during my wait to do ablations. As my doctor said whatever works we will use. Good luck with your abaltion. We will be thinking about you in less than a month.
Kathy
 
I didn't intend to "rub it in" about the scariness of VT to you, Debbie, although it sounds like the professionals beat me to it anyway. I just wanted people who may have had ST not to start ringing up their cardiologists in panic about ablations.

VT is one of the possible arrhythmias and palpitations that can accompany the healing of a VRed heart, by the way. I had a couple of doubles and one triplet during holter monitoring months after surgery. "Doubles" and "triplets" refer to extra ventricular contractions that would be typical of Ventricular Tachycardia. Fortunately, they never developed into anything in my case, and went away as my heart's remodelling progressed.

I point this out so people know that what happens during remodelling after surgery is often temporary. Patients may want to monitor some things that occur, but it's not always smart to jump on things with drug therapy right away. All drugs have side effects and risks, so appropriate caution towards adding prescriptions can be good sense.

Unfortunately, in your case, VT is a fact of life, and a continuing concern. It's good to hear that you've changed to a more responsive and responsible cardiologist and are moving ahead to get this risk factor out of your life. You'll be in my thoughts when you go for your ablation.

Best wishes,
 
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