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dbbrooks

The "Wimped Out" thread has fully explored the "Cath Experience".

I have a question whether both left and right caths were performed in your individual cases and whether the procedure went through the aortic valve for pressure gradient readings. My local card who performed the cath was more than a little huffy when I scratched out the "right" in the " perform right and left catheritization" on the consent form. He said he always did both. I had been told by my surgeon and a senior cardiologist at the Washington Hospital Center where my surgery would be performed that only the a left cath was needed to evaluate the coronary arteries and that no prolonged attempt would be made to pass through the valve since my echos had repeatedly confirmed the stenosis and its progression. They had indicated that passing the wires through a recalcitrant calcified aortic valve is not without risk of trigering an "event". The local cardiolgist belittled my representation of what the other docs had said, especially the fact that I said that the other card said "if the wires incidently went through the valve then a reading would be taken". Local card said that "incidently" never happens. He then went on to negotiate me into allowing several attempts to be made, then to cease if not succesful (Note to file: Never negotiate with a doctor while flat on your back, half naked, on his turf). He also found a need to announce to all of the cath lab staff that he was going to perform a limited cath at the patient's request.

The tight valve of course wasn't passed through in several tries. The procedure was a benign experience, only pain was associated with the pressure exerted for initial insertion and then when the angio-seal device was applied, again more pressure than pain. I completely missed out on th e "hot flash" from the contrast solution.... nothing felt as the dye injections were announced. Also to my knowledge, no happy drugs were used (or indicated on forms, reports, or bills).

Surgeon's bill for cath of $2,400 was whittled down to $470 by BCBS, of which I paid $47. Perhap's we know why "left and right" is his practice.

By the way, I later on at some site that was involved in monitoring health care quality, that the ratio of single caths to double caths performed is an indicator of health care quality at an institution, with the greater ratio of single caths the better the quality. Apparently right caths are indicated in far fewer instances than left caths and high levels of right & left caths indicate less diagnostic precision.
 
My cardio did both left and right but I'm not sure pressure gradient readings. Unlike the vast majority of you who have reported the cath being not a big deal, mine was VERY uncomfortable both during and after. I was left with a huge bruise and found it difficult to sit for days because it felt like something (probably the plug) was poking me right in the groin area. I'm not saying the procedure was terrible, but certainly not as benign as I'd been led to believe. I'm also wondering if any of you out there had this experience:
For the last 3-5 years I've had periodic (a few in one day maybe for 1-4 days at a stretch) chest pains, usually a pinching sensation, over my heart. Doesn't seem to be related to exertion. Immediately following the cath and for about 3 weeks thereafter, I had these pains every 15 min or so and they were more intense as well. At first I just thought I was attending to them more after the cath indicated that I needed a new aortic valve. In retrospect, I'm wondering if the cath procedure itself aggravated things for a bit. Any ideas?

Don't mean to deflect from dhbrooks questions, but if you have any thoughts I'd appreciate it.

Sue
 
Thanks for bringing this up, although I have no answers to your questions, just questions of my own, or perhaps nagging thoughts. Why did he (the card) do that? sort of question. Does left and right cath refer to which leg he goes in?
 
As far as I know, Joe has only had a right heart cath in January of 2003. That was to determine the level of his pulmonary hypertension. But there are other reasons to warrant it. It was done through his neck.

In his case the Swan was left in his neck, sutured in place for 2 days because they wanted to monitor his pressures as they tried various drugs to help with the PH. It is NOT a normal thing to have the Swan sutured in place for 2 days, so don't be afraid. This was something entirely different than a regular right heart cath.

The procedure is also called a Swan-Ganz procedure.

Here's a link:

http://health.allrefer.com/health/swan-ganz-right-heart-catheterization-info.html

There are others on the site who have had both right and left caths. It all depends on what they're looking for. Sometimes they suspect a shunt.
 
I was to have both left and right done, but the Cath Doc couldn't get around my Greenfield filter, so he stopped trying. He told me that it didn't matter anyway, there wasn't anything to be seen that wasn't already seen by other procedural methods that had been used already. IE Gamma Camera, Echo's etc.
 
Left and right side of the heart???

First time I've heard of left and right cath in my limited experience.
 
I'm certain it's refering to sides of the heart. In the contexts that I have heard, the left side is for evaluating your coronary anatomy (arteries or more?), and right side is for measuring outputs? Still would like to really know the differences.
 
There's a pretty thorough explanation in the link I posted including drawings and the reasons for doing a right heart cath, what to expect, etc, etc.
 
I was told by my cardio that even though the main reason for my cath will be to check my valve and VSD, since I am over 40 they would automatically want to check out my coronary arteries for blockage while they're at it. So possibly age may be the reason for doing right and left side caths for some and not others.
 
The LEFT side of the Heart pumps blood throughout the body from the Left Ventricle through the AORTIC Valve. The Left Ventricle is filled from the Left Atrium through the MITRAL Valve.

The RIGHT side of the Heart pumps blood to the lungs from the right Ventricle through the PULMONARY Valve. The Right Ventricle is filled from the right Atrium through the (T????) valve.

There is an EXCELLENT tutorial on how the heart functions linked from the REFERENCE Forum. I think I need to review it again :D

'AL'
 
My cath was both right and left, and I'm certain that refers to the respective sides of the heart, not the leg, arm or side of the neck chosen as an entry point. In fact, my entry points were both in my right leg, just below the crease in the goin area.

Why two entry points? Assuming leg entry points, the "left" cath goes into an artery in the leg and snakes its way up to the aorta; the "right" cath goes into a vein in the leg and snakes its way up to the inferior vena cava. Where it goes from either of those places depends on what your doctor wants to see or measure; it may pass through one or more valves and chambers of your heart in order to measure another valve or chamber.

As for why, or why not, to have both:

Keep in mind that blood flows through your heart in one direction only (unless there is a leak): from the body to the right atrium, through the tricuspid to the right ventricle, through the pulmonary valve to the lungs, from the lungs to the left atrium, through the mitral valve to the left ventricle, and finally through the aortic valve back to the body. The dye used in a cath flows with the blood. I imagine it generally has to be injected "upstream" from the part of the heart the doctor wants to see. Also, if the catheter your doctor uses has sensors on it, I imagine it has to be physically in or near the place the doctor wants to measure.
 
I had a right and left cath done in July 2002. Entry points were both on the right side groin area.
 
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Ive had so many I'm not sure but I think it is 7 caths. What I do know is every one is different from the last.

Med
 

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