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scottvant

I'm in the process of getting copies of all my echo reports, just so I have them to reference. My cardiologist, though competent and thorough, is the type of doctor who figures no news is good news, and prefers not to "worry" me with details. (His words.) I've had 5 echos: The first one, TTE, day after thanksgiving last year where they discovered my problem, one more TTE day before surgery, one intraoperative TEE, another TTE +1 day post-op, and one exercise/stress echo in March, 3 months post-op.

So I'm a numbers guy, and a control freak. I wanted the scoop given to me in digits; something my computer-friendly brain could quantify and file away as tangible information... Instead, I kept getting, "you're young, your surgeon did a great job, you're doing fine" on my first couple of followups. After the exercise echo, I wanted a detailed account of everything that was going on. Especially since the technican let slip that she could see some regurg on both worked-on valves. I was beside myself--those valves were supposed to be working! That was the reason behind this whole ordeal! I became all questions, and the technician, aware she probably shouldn't have said anything, clammed up and insisted "it was nothing to worry about." Ok well, then, why say anything?

The whole point in having that exercise echo so soon was because I had told the doctor that if he was going to nix weights, then at the very least I wanted to resume my aggressive bike training rides ASAP, so he ordered the exercise echo to see what was going on and where we were with that. Given that, I expected *some* sort of interpretation of the results for me. But, because there was nothing catastrophically wrong, he's been pretty quiet.

Except when he called, about a week later, to say he had called in a script over at my pharmacy of record, that he wanted me to fill and begin taking ASAP, so we could, "take care of that decreased heart function." My what? "Oh it's fine, the medication will reverse it." At the pharmacy, they give me that "patient information" sheet about Coreg and I read that it's most commonly prescribed for CHF. HEART FAILURE?!?!?!??! And here they'd been telling me I'd been doing so great. I was beyond irritated, called his office, and continued to get the "you're overreacting, you're fine" speech.

Until my last visit, when I arrived armed with a file folder full of papers, medical files I got from the hospital itself (my cardio has his own private practice and as such has a different set of files) and I had highlighted various items on that post-op echo I wanted explained. I made it clear to him that I wasn't going to accept "you're fine, don't worry about it" as an answer anymore. I found out that day that when you put it like that, he's fine giving you all the details you want. I suppose most of his patients don't take such an active interest in what's in their file, but I'm not most patients. I've never had a major medical disaster like this before and I'm a little paranoid about it all. I should be pleased with his constant insistence that "everything is fine." Maybe it is--that'd be GREAT news! But I'm still wary of being stung by the realization at the pharmacy that he had put me on heart failure medication without really telling me what was up.

My last visit with him was two weeks ago. He did an EKG and something called a "Bio-Z" bioimpedance test which is supposed to chart all sorts of things previously only visible through a catheterization... He seemed pleased, everything looked stellar, he said, and I should come back late September. This time, I decided not to be such a hypochondriac (a new sensation for me, since I've never been one before, and I don't like it) about all of this and take him at his word that yes, I'm doing fine.

Flash forward to me finding you guys--I've never run across a group of people who seemed more competent in medical terminology and all... So if I dig up that echo report, is there somebody who can help me decipher it?

While I look for it, the things I remember from it: trace or mild regurgitation on all valves (which panicked me at first until I read in several places that even healthy hearts can have that, it's commonplace...) dilated aortic root of 4.3 (I know that's not a lot, but it's worth watching--does anyone know if that's the sort of thing that can reverse, or is it one of those things that, as soon as it starts to stretch, it won't ever regress back toward normal?) thickening on three LV walls (I'll find out how much) and one RV wall and slightly enlarged LV; and also something called "dyskinetic/reversed septal wall motion" with a note, "is a common finding in open heart surgery patients." Anyone know what that is?

When I pointed out all of this stuff to my cardiologist, he indicated that yes, these are all things to watch, but that even when taken together, don't pose any sort of dire threat. Which, like I said, is fine--I'd love to believe him.. So far, almost 7 months out, I have yet to push myself so hard I get short of breath or feel any symptoms that indicate my heart isn't pumping as it should; which he asked me about and when I told him that he said "see, you're doing GREAT..."

I suppose most of all I'm still a little freaked out by the whole thing, and, like Harry, wondered at the time if maybe I wasn't a little too young to be saddled with a "heart condition." I suppose the very idea of all of this is going to take some getting used to; it still hasn't really sunk in yet.

One last thing--does anyone know if Coreg or beta-blockers in general make you feel tired, lethargic, or depressed, and/or cause weight gain?

Thnks, guys, for all of your help, and I promise I'll hang around here long enough to try and be of some help to others as well and not just be that guy who asks all the questions all the time...

:) Scott(y)
 
Interpreting Echos (and stuff)

Interpreting Echos (and stuff)

Scotty -

I understand! I was frustrated by the same lack of communication a few years back prior to my surgery. I went through a few cardiologists before I found one that would answer questions or didn't become indignant by my asking them.

It's difficult to interpret echocardiogram reports because they don't adhere to a standard for format or content. But if you have copies of your reports, you can identify some trends...e.g., a measurement value in the first echo isn't listed in the second, but does show up in the third and fifth...so now ya got 3 data points you can observe a trend from.

Check out the following link:

http://www.echobyweb.com/htm_level2_eng/formulas&calculations.htm

You can probably find explanations and definitions for measurements and terms used in your echo reports.

The very best publication I found for self-education on valve disease is:

ACC/AHA Guidelines for the Management of Patients With Valvular Heart Disease

http://www.acc.org/clinical/guidelines/valvular/3205p149.pdf

It's 100+ pages, written for cardiologists..so it goes into meaninful detail. It also has some great figures like the following to help you understand where you're at, and how your cardiologist should be treating you. You'll note that they reference echo findings and values in this do***ent that can help you understand the status of your underlying heart and valve conditions. For instance, I used the following chart to compare measures of ejection fraction and end systolic dimension with those in my echo reports...and weeded out an incompetent cardiologist, BTW.

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The ACC/AHA stuff may be too technical for you at first. You can go to heartcenteronline for a very good overview of heart anatomy, physiology and pathophysiology. If you go through this material first, the ACC/AHA do***ent will be easier to understand.

http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/index.cfm

It WILL take you a lot of reading and time to become proficient in this material, but it's an investment worth makin, IMO. Being your own advocate gets you the best care, but only if you can understand what's going on.

Coreg and other beta blockers can indeed make you feel lethargic. They slow the heart and reduce blood pressure, so you can feel particularly sluggish when you're trying to be active.

Good luck!

Bill
 
Censorship

Censorship

Ha! The intelligent forum software took the naughty bit out of the middle of the word "docyoooment" in my post above.

Just for the record, Ross had nothing to do with the *'s!
 
Bicuspid valve

Bicuspid valve

Hi Scott-

I looked back at your original post and saw that you had a bicuspid aortic valve. There are several members here who have/had that condition. I am hoping they will post here and tell you about their experiences. There are some unique things associated with bicuspid valves and they can talk about those. You might also want to search the site for bicuspid valve. I believe that many of those members are quite athletic.

As far as Coreg, we also have many members who are on that. It will help to lighten the load on your heart and your cardiologist is no doubt being careful to keep you in the best possible condition. Heart medications help tremendously with lots of heart related problems and are pretty sophisticated in what they can do. Do a search on that too.

I am sure your cardiologist is doing the best for you in trying to keep a careful eye on everything. It sounds as if he has you scheduled for pretty frequent appointments. What will happen in the future is something no one can predict. Each person has a unique set of problems and treatment has to be tailored according to what is found at each step along the way.

You have had such extreme changes to your lifestyle, so fast, it's almost blinding. I am sorry this has happened to you. It must be very difficult to deal with being the epitome of health one minute , and then be struck down with this when you least expected it. There are a few members here who have had similar experiences. Perhaps the lucky ones are those who knew about their heart problems and had time to adjust.

My husband got ill when a teen and is now 72. He's been through so much, it's almost unbelievable. But he has had loads of time to adjust to each new medical problem. At this stage, nothing bothers him.

You will probably never have his long history, but in time you will come to a peaceful place with your health.

Keep coming here and asking lots of questions. There are so many, many knowledgeable folks here. We'll all try to help answer if we can.

Best wishes, Scott.
 
Beta Blockers

Beta Blockers

Hello Scott, I can't really add much to Bill and Nancy's comments, but can speak from experience on Beta Blockers.

I'm not on Coreg, but take Toprol-XL, 100mg in the morning, and 50mg in the evening, to reduce my normally rapid heart rate - it was rapid before my surgery, too, with a resting rate varying between 100 and 140. Post surgery, I'm down in the 80s. At my 6-month checkup, I complained about being tired, lethargic, and somewhat depressed. I half expected my cardio to take me off of the Toprol, but to my dismay he actually added the evening dose :mad: He insisted that I would "get used" to the drug, and that the fuzziness, and sleepiness would abate with time. I have to say that it has improved, but is not completely gone. When I first went back to work, I used to feel like I was "thinking in molasses", but that is gone, and I seem to be as sharp as I ever was.

I do have some very minor problems with edema in my ankles, that the cardio suspects may be caused by the beta blocker, but even that is getting better over time. Having 2 rigid artificial valves in my heart may be limiting the pliancy of the ventricle, and though I tested with a normal ejection fraction at my last echo, it was only just barely so.

You are right to push your doctor for answers. I was lucky - mine hit me with all the raw facts right off the bat - hit me with both barrels. He will tell me whatever I want to know, and even explain the mathematics and physics behind my heart function and the tests I undergo. I hope he never retires - LOL!

If he won't play straight up with you at your request - well, I'd say it's time to go shopping for another.

Johnny
 
WHOA Scott, come up for air, take a couple of deep breaths and relax a bit. You probably are overreacting a tad :)

Having been where you are, I first obtained copies of all my echos (and last two catheterizations), read them over, and charted the numbers / comments on a spread sheet. From this I was able to see some patterns and then scheduled another visit with my cardiologist to get answers to my questions about the significance of those trends. I was told the changes were not terribly significant (and some of them actually showed improvement in the condition of my heart following surgery). I too had some regurgitation which he decided to follow more closely by changing me from a yearly echo to every 6 months.

Regarding regurgitation, my cardiologist reminded me that valve replacement typically results in changing one set of parameters for another. With mechanical valves, *some* regurgitation is designed in to ensure that there is always some blood flow across the valve to prevent clots from forming. The words "trace" and "mild" often preceed some parameters. Cardiologists don't get concerned until those modifiers change to SEVERE.

While compiling my data, I had also scheduled a visit with a Cardiologist who had left the BIG GROUP to provide more of a "one-on-one" style of practice. I'm glad I did he took the time to address my major concern / complaint, gave me the important background information in how the heart functions in that area, and made a recommendation on how to manage the symptoms. Why my regular cardiologist never did this I can only guess. I suspect he just didn't want to take the time. That seems to be a problem with Cardiologists these days. If you have a knowledgable Primary Care Physician perhaps he/she can help interpret your results. An Internist may be a better choice than a Family Physician / GP since they typically have a stronger background in adult internal medicine.

Two of the primary numbers of interest are Ejection Fraction (EF) which is a measure of how efficiently your heart is pumping. I've forgotten the typical (healthy patient) numbers but believe they are somewhere around 50 to 75%, and Effective Valve Area which is a measure of the opening of your aortic valve. The bigger the better. Surgery is often recommended when the effective aortic valve area drops to 0.8 cm sq. My mechanical valve has an effective area of 1.2 cm sq which does limit my maximum exertion level. Some of the tissue valves have larger effective areas. It takes some digging to find those numbers!

It may be worthwhile to 'shop around' for either a Cardiologist or PCP who will take the time to explain your test results and do some 'patient education'. Some of the bigger Heart groups actually have a nurse in charge of patient education.

Good luck in your quest and keep taking those deep breaths!

'AL'
 
Hey, Scott

Hey, Scott

This whole thing pretty well sucks, don't it??? Except for the fact that we've all had something they can fix; and there are lots of things out there that they can't fix. So regardless of how blue, depressed, etc., I get I hold on to that.

Beta blockers: I was on them 24 years ago when I was 30 and loathed it; was so tired, had a lot of trouble with my weight (but I think that from reduced activity due to being tired). So I hated being put on them this time. But this time they don't seem to be as problematic. My guess is that this time I was in really bad shape when put on them (in 79 it was because of tachycaria and arrythmia); so I didn't notice. Docs also said that toprol is better than what I was on last time (can't remember what it was).

Good luck, kiddo; stay with us.
 
AL sez:
>> WHOA Scott, come up for air, take a couple of deep breaths and relax a bit. You probably are overreacting a tad :) <<

LOL, probably. I think this might be why I'm finally getting some answers out of my cardio. He's used to patients wanting to hear as little from him as possible. Unless it's broke, they don't wanna know how to fix it. I've been the opposite through this whole ordeal--if they're not talking, then OBVIOUSLY they're withholding information.

Which actually was true, in one instance, which is why I'm wary now. When my cardio called to put me on the Coreg, and mentioned my "decreased heart function," I asked how long this had been an issue. "Since your first echo, when you were admitted," he said. But at no time during those three weeks in the hospital or in the first months afterward did anybody say ANYTHING to me about cardiomyopathy or LVH. I've been feeling like I have to pull the details out with pliers ever since. :)

>>While compiling my data, I had also scheduled a visit with a Cardiologist who had left the BIG GROUP to provide more of a "one-on-one" style of practice. <<

That's what I have--he left the big hospital to start a private cardiovascular practice with one other doctor. In spite of that, he still seems to prefer to operate "dont ask, don't tell." The nurses at his practice said that most of his patients prefer it that way. I don't know who these people are but now I have to re-train my doctor to actually TELL me things...

>>Two of the primary numbers of interest are Ejection Fraction (EF) which is a measure of how efficiently your heart is pumping. I've forgotten the typical (healthy patient) numbers but believe they are somewhere around 50 to 75%, <<

Mine was 47, day after surgery. With resting heart rate of 100+, before the Coreg. On it, it stays down around 76-84. The irony of all this is, if you had asked me last year to pic an organ that was going to act up, my heart would have been last on the list. My resting heart rate was below 60, and I spent between 1-2 hours in the gym 6x a week. Heart trouble was *not* on my radar. I'd sooner have said liver, (too much partying on the weekends) or brain (same reasons--LOL...) but certainly not heart. ::shrug::

Cardio says he has every confidence my EF should return to a more normal number, as well as LVH should normalize, as long as I behave myself. (Never my strong suit, but in this case I'm learning.)

Scott(y), taking a deep breath. :)
 
Don't hesitate to ask your doctors anything. The education, training, and income they receive demands that they transfer this into practical communication with the patient. If they enjoy what they do they should be delighted with a patient that cares like you do.

My situation is a lot like yours although I am a bit older. At 42 years old I was very athletic. Just a few months before my diagnosis, I told my wife I felt like I was still in my 20's. Then came the fatigue, the tests, and ultimately the surgery.

Give yourself time. Two years after aortic valve replacement, mitral valve repair, and aortic aneurysm repair, I am able to run, lift weights, and be active. I just whipped my 18-year old son yesterday in a one-on-one game of basketball! My heart continues to gain strength and decrease in size and thickness. Make each day count and don't let this consume your thoughts and time.
 
Dave M sez: >>Make each day count and don't let this consume your thoughts and time.<<

Trying that. Some days, it feels like, "wow--that was a long time ago, 7 months!" and other days, it feels like it was not that long ago at all, just yesterday. In any case it was so out of the blue and all came as such a big surprise--the biggest surprise of my life, I'd say, followed by the most traumatic ordeal--gradually I'm getting used to all this but for awhile I couldn't go two minutes without thinking about some aspect of this...

That is wearing off, but slowly...
 
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