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I've noticed alot of people talk about being on blood thinners for their whole life, and sometimes it seems due to maybe having to take them forever is than making people choose at tissue valve and risk OHS later.

With the advancement in medication, my Cardioloigist seems to be pretty optimistic that in 5-10 years there will be an alternative, so you wouldn't have to take cummodine or what have you.

I wanted to see how people here viewed that theory and if you think it is possible, wether it be in that time frame or 20-30 years from now. From what I understand the medical field is just progressing so quickly that I personally feel like its very possible, as does my cardiologist.

Would like to hear from you all on why you think it will or will not happen.

Thanks!
 
There MAY be alternatives to Coumadin (that still are anticoagulants with the risks that go along with that) in the next decade, BUT the last group of patients they usually do trials on or would consider approving them for are mechanical valve patients. But many of the newest ones have their own risks too. The benefits would mainly be in steady dosing and not needing to do testing for INR. The down side of course is still increased in bleeds and/or bleeding strokes. oh another plus side depending on how it would act in your body to prevent clots is chances are they wouldn't be Vitamin k antagonist so you wouldnt have the concerns of not getting the benefits of all the vitamin ks
but depending how they do work there could always be some other un intended "side effect' for lack of a better word.
 
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Cardiologists and surgeons will cite medical advancements as a reason to choose either. Are there going to be advances in medications that make a mechanical more appealing? Maybe. Are there going to be advancements in stent placement of aortic valves in younger patients? Maybe.

My surgeon was selling tissue valves because he felt that in 10 or so years when I'd likely need another open heart surgery, they'd be able to replace it by stent. A co-workers husband chose tissue at 38 years old on this recommendation. Part of me thinks the main reason he recommended tissue is because that's what he installed the majority of the time, given most of his clientele being over 60.

I still chose mechanical. There's a lot of pressure going through the aortic valve. I wouldn't be comfortable without it sewn in place. Also, if a tissue valve requires replacement every ten years, I would have been looking at at least four more replacements if I live as long as I hope to. How many stent valves can they place on top of eachother before they have to pull the old ones out? All a stent does currently is push your old valve out of place with pressure and it's held in place with pressure. If I was 80 and was looking for something minimally invasive to prolong my time on this earth, great. But not in my mid thirties.

I tend to make decisions based on the way things are today. Today, taking warfarin is no more inconvenient than remembering to take a daily vitamin or supplement. If you can remember one pill, you can remember another. Testing is a fact of life for warfarin patients. When I got my first valve, that meant getting to the lab every couple weeks or month for a blood draw than waiting for results. One risk was having a bad manager who couldn't properly dose your lifestyle or tried to micromanage minor fluctuations in your INR. Today, many people (myself included finally) use home testing and work with coumadin clinics associated cardiology offices. Testing is done at home and results are called in. The clinics have much better training in anti-coagulation therapy and (I can only speak for myself here) I've had much better luck with consistant dosing and test results because of this.

Even in choosing mechanical the first time - I still needed a re-op. That was due to an aortic aneurysm. My valve was still working great. I opted to get the valve freshened up (a shiny new mechanical) as long as they were in there but it wasn't because the old valve was wearing out. Had I opted for tissue the first time around, I likely would have been looking at my third open heart once my aneurysm showed up, because it went fast. In 2006, my aortic dilation was 2.6cm. That was 15 years after my first open heart. I probably would've been due for a new tissue valve at that point. My aorta would've been fine and they would have left it alone. Three years later, it had jumped to 4.9 (up from 3.2 the prior year). At the rate it was growing, I wasn't willing to risk waiting.

In my estimation, the decision today boils down to noise and medication (mechanical), vs. likehood of re-op (tissue). No one can tell you what decision is right for you. And honestly, I don't know if you can even know until after you've lived with it for a while. I haven't once regretted mechanical (beyond wishing none of this was necessary at all), but there are plenty of proud tissue valve owners who haven't once regretted their decision either.

What a really long way to say, "The ball's in your court".
 
I wanted to see how people here viewed that theory and if you think it is possible, wether it be in that time frame or 20-30 years from now. From what I understand the medical field is just progressing so quickly that I personally feel like its very possible, as does my cardiologist.

Would like to hear from you all on why you think it will or will not happen.

Thanks!

Warfarin(Coumadin) has been the anit-coagulant(blood thinner) of choice since, at least, the 1950's and its use predates commercially available valve surgery. One of the USA presidents, Dwight Eisenhower(sp?) was on it for a-fib in the 50s. It is also one of the most widely prescribed medications in the world, ....valve replacement patients are only a small percentage of warfarin users. There is a huge market for this anti-coagulant and it seems certain that drug companies would feverishly be working on a new patent opportunity to replace it. Sooner or later, there will be an alternative. In the meantime, warfarin is the only game in town for valve patients.....and it really isn't a big deal.....unless you screw around with it.
 
My father was on coumadin in the fifties and I think of him (now long deceased) as a pioneer for the drug. There was no INR testing in those days and dosages were guesses. It was very dangerous but the forerunner of safer use of a life saving drug. He had terribly easy brusing and I'm sure there were bleeds. he was a 'guinea pig' for doctors to learn how to prescribe and dose and ultimately test INR.


I had a short course of it after getting my tissue valve and was thrilled when my surgeon said I could stop it. Many (not all) surgeons order a course of 2 - 3 months coumadin during healing until the body grows its own tissue over the seat of the valve.

I did not have an easy time with it though I had competent management and I was totally compliant. In my case, it was very lucky my choice was for tissue valve and no requiremet for life long ACT. Yes, I understand if I should get A fib it might be required but thus far, I've been lucky and that has not happened.

I think age at the time of valve replacement is very pertinent. The patient who is in the late fifties and older range is more likely to get longer term viability from a tissue valve than a younger person.
 
I distinctly remember the back and forth on that decision before my surgery, which I had to make just in case the repair didn't work. I got the impression that my surgeon was leaning to an artificial valve, and I was leaning that way right up until talking to a nurse at preadmissions testing the week before. I had to give my surgeon my final choice in the prep area on the day of the surgery, and that was one of the forms they made sure was signed before sending me of to lala land.

I hadn't found this forum before my surgery. If I had, I would probably have stayed with the artificial, since the reports from the people who are taking the medication indicate that it is not as bad as I feared. Luckily, the surgeon was able to repair my mitral valve, so I don't have to worry about facing another surgery in ten years or so.
 
Ovie-

I agree with Superman about not basing today's decision on what "might" be available in the future. We just don't know what treatments will prove to be effective until they've been around and tracked for awhile. No matter which way you go it's a compromise. I went mechanical because I felt I would rather deal with blood thinners than waiting for another OHS, but that's me, there is no "right" choice. It's all about what you're most comfortable with.
 
As others have said on this site before me, I wouldn't necessarily be comfortable switching to a new ACT drug even if it were approved for MHVs because of the difficulty reversing it's effects. With Warfarin, just take some IV Vitamin K, but how do you reverse the others? I think a blood transfusion may be the only way. Warfarin is also way cheaper, at least for now.

Personally, I'm hoping the PROACT trial concludes that the On-X valve I have, can safety use an INR range of 1.5-2.5 + Aspirin. My range is currently 2.5-3.5 with 81mg Aspirin. This range seems like it would be easier to maintain and have a low risk of bleeding. Even so, I have not noticed any unusual bruising or bleeding, even though I've already accidentally cut myself and bumped myself.
 
Hi Ovie,

My opinion on this, for what it's worth, is that you (anyone) should focus on the facts and realities of things as they are now. It is interesting to contemplate what may or may not be available in the future, but it is speculation and nothing more. Even when we can see what paths the research and development are taking, we can't know with certainty where those paths will lead.

In the late 1980's my wisdom teeth were coming in, and there wasn't really room for them. I had a lot of pain as my other teeth adjusted, and the new teeth had come part way through (while remaining partially covered) when I finally went to the dentist and asked to have them out. The dentist took a look in there and said that they would likely come completely through eventually, and that I should keep them in there because there were experiments taking place which would inevitably lead to the ability to transplant the wisdom teeth to replace damaged (rotten) molars.

About 6 years later I was in my new dentist's chair having one of the wisdom teeth pulled. It had seriously decayed after suffering years of chronic infections which resulted from my being unable to clean them properly becausde they remained partially covered! After the tooth was pulled, the dentist asked me why they hadn't been pulled in when they first came in. I told him about the transplant promise, and he said 'yeah, that never really worked out.' The cruel irony is that those chronic infections may well have been the proximate cause of the accelerated deterioration of my BAV.

The flip side of the answer to your question is that there will be advancements of some sort, which will mitigate the downsides of whichever valve you choose. People talk about TAVI re-ops for their tissue valves (unappealing to me since the valve opening gets smaller and smaller but to each his own). We now have home monitoring for warfarin act, but there is a high likelihood of the next step being something technologically superior like a smartphone based testing solution, which has a built in dosing app, or automatic communication with and ACT clinic. There are serious diagnostic tools being developed which use breath, saliva, or even refraction of light through a finger tip (and therefore blood) to detect pathogens, anti-bodies or other compounds. There is a huge market for such a device to measure PT.

Meantime, for most of us, the current state of the art isn't to hard to deal with, whether it's lifetime ACT, or the prospect, even the certainty, of multiple surgeries.
 
I couldn't agree more with making my decision based on the "now". I'm 25 and looking at 98% chance of Mechanical due to my age. I'm having a hard enough time now with my first surgery, I can't imagine getting a tissue and have to go through this all again. Granted at my age even with a Mechanical if I live to be old I'm already looking at another OHS. I'd just rather have it be later than sooner.

I guess I only ask the question because all of this is very new to me, and I've been playing Hockey since I was 4, and now with this surgery coming up and having to be on blood thinners, my cardiologist basically said I shouldn't play anymore, which is basically the love of my life. I guess I was kind of just reaching for some Hope that maybe sometime relatively soon I'd be able to pick the game up again, but from most of the information I'm reading I shouldn't be too optimistic about it. But hey..I guess maybe someday it'll come out of nowhere and maybe I can pick something I love so much up again.
 
I, too, would say that one must make one's choice using the technology available today. When a drug such as Coumadin is in wide use for such a long time, this is an indicator that replacing it with something "better" is very difficult otherwise it would have already been done. It is easy to find a lot of scare stories about anti-coagulants but the truth is that when properly monitored anti-coagulant therapy is very effective and presents little risk to most people as you can see from reading the responses from those on ACT here in VR. New technology or drug innovation cannot be counted upon to appear on a schedule. You still have to make your selection from what is available today.

Larry
 
I can say that coumadin has not been nearly as troubling as non-cardio doctors/nurses would have you believe.

I had a small procedure on Friday to remove a cyst that had been bothering me for a year. The doctor said he could remove it in his office, but that I would have to come off coumadin. I laughed and said that was just silly. My INR was stable at 2.2. I explained that while I might bleed a little longer than usual, I'm not a free bleeder. He agreed to perform the procedure and it was no problem.

Sometimes it is up to us to educate people on what it is really like to be on coumadin therapy. As long as INR is under control, it is not the horror that they would have you believe. THere are some exceptions to the rule, but I think most folks handle it quite well.

Now, I will say if by the time I'm 75 or so and if I need another OHS, I might switch to a tissue valve at that time if there are no significant advances in ACT. Seems that when you are older, there are more issues with complications but some of that could be because older folks might be depending on someone else to manage their coumadin levels. I would love to see the mortality stats on people over 80 on well managed ACT vs ACT levels that are out of range too high or too low.
 
I will say that the only tangible consequence of being on warfarin that I've faced is one "surprise" additional child. My INR was too high when I was originally scheduled for my "prodecure". Well, between that appointment and my reschedule - #5 was conceived. Oops.

Of course, now that he's here - I'm glad it worked out the way it did.
 
Ovie – Sorry you are having such a tough time. It’s definitely not an easy thing to go through.

I must say that going mechanical, I wouldn’t say that re-surgery is going to be necessary, even if you live to be Old. My step-son’s surgeon thinks that the only reason for re-surgery (with On-X valves) would be if something different were to come up (aneurism is basically the only thing).

Like another poster here, our reasons for mechanical and On-X are with the PROACT study. Skyler has been on Warfarin all his life (that means since he was 9 days old). Any decrease in the INR levels would be WONDERFUL.

Even knowing the possibility of new drugs (Pradaxa is one the surgeon talked about), the lack of testing ability (like warfarin in the 50s) makes me wary, along with the lack of known side effects. The length of time that Warfarin has been used, and the known side effects, really helps make us comfortable with it’s use. Plus, it’s not hard to manage at all (so far for us – 12 years in a growing kid).

Our biggest hope is that we will be able to decrease his INR dose to 1-5-2.5 with aspirin (81mg), rather than 2.5-3.5. For us, the reasoning is more to do with the side effects associated with decreased vitamin K, arterial calcification and osteoporosis, rather than remembering a pill. Bleeding is a minor concern, but honestly Skyler doesn’t bleed that much longer than many people on know not on Warfarin.
 
I couldn't agree more with making my decision based on the "now". I'm 25 and looking at 98% chance of Mechanical due to my age. I'm having a hard enough time now with my first surgery, I can't imagine getting a tissue and have to go through this all again. Granted at my age even with a Mechanical if I live to be old I'm already looking at another OHS. I'd just rather have it be later than sooner.

I guess I only ask the question because all of this is very new to me, and I've been playing Hockey since I was 4, and now with this surgery coming up and having to be on blood thinners, my cardiologist basically said I shouldn't play anymore, which is basically the love of my life. I guess I was kind of just reaching for some Hope that maybe sometime relatively soon I'd be able to pick the game up again, but from most of the information I'm reading I shouldn't be too optimistic about it. But hey..I guess maybe someday it'll come out of nowhere and maybe I can pick something I love so much up again.

That is a little harsh about the hockey. I'd have to give some serious thought to that myself, in your shoes. I've taken up a number of things again since surgery, and I've done so with full awareness of the risks. I do what I can to minimize those risks, while still living the life I want to live. I don't know if there is a way to play hockey more safely, but I'd bet that if you know the guys on the rink in a pick-up game, and wear the best helmet you can get your hands on, you might get it down to a level of risk you feel comfortable with. That one's on you though, and in time you'll make your decisions.

At one point, I thought I might not go to sea again (which is how I make my living). I thought that if the weather got bad and I hit my head, I'd be a liability to the rest of the crew, and that wasn't acceptable to me. After some consideration, I concluded both that the risks were not as great as I feared, and that I could mitigate them somewhat simply by being careful, and even by wearing a helmet if things got terrible and I had to spend time in the engine room, which is full of hard, sharp things that find your head at the best of times. I would feel a little silly, but better that than put anyone else through the ordeal of trying to get me to shore or off the boat.

There is a way to do most things if you really want to, and many things are acceptable to forgo if you determine it is warranted.
 
With regards to hockey: As an avid hockey player myself, I can totally understand the hockey aspect. At 25 I was not ready to stop playing at the highly competitive level I was playing at to play in a less competitive league. Really the fun is in the extreme competitiveness and that is lacking in the drop-in and non-contact rec leagues.

What I can say, however, is that I do know people who have had valve surgery (and multiple bypasses) who do play. I also know an 18 year old who plays Junior hockey who had a full sternotomy when he was young. I guess it depends on your surgeon and cariologists about what they recommend post-surgery. Personally, I'd rather play with a bunch of people I know then not play at all.

Then again, I've also played when 5 months pregnant and should wear a knee brace due to a bad knee injury a decade or so ago.

As yotphix says, pick your risks and what you are comfortable with. I would probably still play, though maybe not at the same level of contact as previously, if I had had valve replacement surgery. I'd definitely play in the rec league I play in now. In a rec league you can always step out (not fun I know) if it seems to be getting a bit too chippy. For health reasons, it's always an option.
 
With the advancement in medication, my Cardioloigist seems to be pretty optimistic that in 5-10 years there will be an alternative, so you wouldn't have to take cummodine or what have you.

I wanted to see how people here viewed that theory and if you think it is possible, wether it be in that time frame or 20-30 years from now. From what I understand the medical field is just progressing so quickly that I personally feel like its very possible, as does my cardiologist.

Would like to hear from you all on why you think it will or will not happen.

Thanks!

Well, as the others said, no one can predict the future, so planning for the here and now is generally far more reliable. But, in the interest of your question, I thought I'd at least offer a little perspective on one specific Warfarin alternative, already mentioned:

Boehringer Ingelheim announced in August plans for launching the "RE-ALIGN" trial to begin evaluation of Pradaxa in approximately 400 patients with mechanical heart valves (mitral and aortic). The scheduled start was October 2011 and completion was targeted for August 2012, currently still in recruitment. It is a only a preliminary (Phase II) study, so not yet at the effectiveness stage, targeted primarily for evaluating dosage algorithms. Then, there will be a follow-up study of the same patient group scheduled to complete in December 2018 to evaluate long term safety. The natural assumption would be that if all goes well, a full scale trial (randomized, much larger patient group, etc) to directly compare safety and effectiveness with Warfarin would begin to happen somewhere in between.

If you are not aware, Pradaxa went through this type of process for AFib patients. In late 2003, a fairly limited Phase II study began to evaluate dosages. Then, in late 2005, a full scale trial (RE-LY) began with a patient group of 18,000 that were followed for 3 years (through end of 2008) to compare safety and effectiveness with Warfarin. Then, in late 2010, Pradaxa was approved in the US as a "substitute" for Warfarin in A-Fib patients.

So, in answer to your question, anticoagulation alternatives are certainly in the works for mechanical valve patients. But, of course, no one knows at this time what the results of any of the studies or future trials will be. Mechanical valves and AFib are certainly not comparable conditions. And, at the end of the day, as Lyn pointed out, anticoagulants are anticoagulants, risk is inherent.

There have been several Pradaxa threads in the last few months, I won't go into much of that here, but there is also certainly a bit of controversy related to Pradaxa's approval and warp speed progression into A-Fib patient management. There are some hot button aspects that get a lot of focus, things such as antidote issues and cost, as has been mentioned. In my opinion, it's the much broader issue that is most important: will Pradaxa, or any other alternative, be as good as or better than Warfarin for mechanical valve patients, and what constitutes better - when, if ever, does convenience (dosage, monitoring, diet) trump safety?

For A-Fib, supposedly Pradaxa brought not just convenience, but also safety. But while "stroke reduction" is in all the headlines, there is a lot of fine print too. The FDA review did not actually grant Pradaxa superiority to Warfarin. One reason was that the higher stroke numbers of the Warfarin group were shown to be a product of poor INR control at many of the trial centers. So, in other words, Warfarin patients under good control were not shown to have an overall medical benefit from Pradaxa. So, will the scales shift (perhaps even in favor of Warfarin) with valve patients? Who knows...but certainly the possibility exists. Interestingly, the "RE-ALIGN" valve study is including not only the "standard" 150 mg dose of Pradaxa, but also a 300 mg dose. The 300 mg dose had been evaluated for A-Fib as well, but was eliminated due to higher frequency of major bleeding. In the A-Fib trial, major bleeding was comparable overall between Pradaxa 150 and Warfarin, so if the valve study should determine that a 300 mg dose is necessary due to heightened stroke risk (compared to A-Fib), the logical assumption would be that major bleeding increases, which potentially could shift medical benefit in favor of Warfarin.

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but you ask a good question, and wanted to try and guess a general trajectory for the future. Your cardiologist may just be right that there will be an alternative in 10 years. I really wonder, though, if it will be a truly better alternative for most from the most important standpoint of safety. Who knows for sure, though, it sure will be interesting to see what happens...
 
Ovie, I hope you're as impressed with this bunch of responses as I am! Unfortunately, all the collective wisdom probably doesn't really give you the answer you were hoping for. Let me add a couple of different angles:

1) There's nothing wrong with factoring "likely future trajectories" into your decision-making, though it's obviously risky to bet the farm on one specific future. And there are promising developments approaching (already in testing) on both sides of the tissue/mech decision, for you to consider.

2) Like yotphix and others, I took some calculated risks that my Cardiologist disapproved of. Specifically, ~7 weeks post-AVR, still temporarily on Warfarin, I skied downhill at Whistler for a week. (He called me crazy. My GP said "Be careful", and my surgeon said "Have fun"!!)) I wore a helmet, a heart monitor, and a neoprene "bumper" around my chest, and I certainly didn't jump off any cornices -- stayed on the groomed slopes, in fact. I never even fell in the whole week, which is a first for me. It wasn't my previous style of downhill skiing (partly because of my still-reduced CV fitness, and partly because of the injury risk), but it was great to be there, and skiing again.

3) I've torn both Achilles Tendons playing competitive volleyball -- each time taking me off the courts for close to a year -- and I've spent a LOT of time getting and giving advice on www.achillesblog.com. Many AT rupture patients decide to give up their "high-risk" sports after their injury, partly to avoid tearing the other AT. And some of those folks -- who rechanneled their love of volleyball or soccer etc. into running or water polo or whatever -- discovered a new activity that became the NEW love of their life! If the thing you most love about hockey is slamming into another player at top speed, you may be facing some hard choices; but if what you love is the skill, the competition, the speed, the teamwork, the exertion. . . then there are probably many lower-impact, less bruising sports that might become your new love.

4) And one more thingThere have been a few threads on this forum about a "hybrid" option that some young HVR patients choose (and some CV surgeons recommend as an option): going for a tissue valve now/first, in the expectation of getting a mechanical valve the next time. Like the other options, it's not the "obviously wonderful" or perfect answer to everything, but some people (here and elsewhere) have chosen it, and a bunch of people who've chosen it are happy with it.

This is obviously one of the most personal decisions most of us make, and there's no wrong answer -- other than "going down" with a failing native valve while a better option is readily available.
 
Ovie, I hope you're as impressed with this bunch of responses as I am! Unfortunately, all the collective wisdom probably doesn't really give you the answer you were hoping for. Let me add a couple of different angles:

1) There's nothing wrong with factoring "likely future trajectories" into your decision-making, though it's obviously risky to bet the farm on one specific future. And there are promising developments approaching (already in testing) on both sides of the tissue/mech decision, for you to consider.

2) Like yotphix and others, I took some calculated risks that my Cardiologist disapproved of. Specifically, ~7 weeks post-AVR, still temporarily on Warfarin, I skied downhill at Whistler for a week. (He called me crazy. My GP said "Be careful", and my surgeon said "Have fun"!!)) I wore a helmet, a heart monitor, and a neoprene "bumper" around my chest, and I certainly didn't jump off any cornices -- stayed on the groomed slopes, in fact. I never even fell in the whole week, which is a first for me. It wasn't my previous style of downhill skiing (partly because of my still-reduced CV fitness, and partly because of the injury risk), but it was great to be there, and skiing again.

3) I've torn both Achilles Tendons playing competitive volleyball -- each time taking me off the courts for close to a year -- and I've spent a LOT of time getting and giving advice on www.achillesblog.com. Many AT rupture patients decide to give up their "high-risk" sports after their injury, partly to avoid tearing the other AT. And some of those folks -- who rechanneled their love of volleyball or soccer etc. into running or water polo or whatever -- discovered a new activity that became the NEW love of their life! If the thing you most love about hockey is slamming into another player at top speed, you may be facing some hard choices; but if what you love is the skill, the competition, the speed, the teamwork, the exertion. . . then there are probably many lower-impact, less bruising sports that might become your new love.

4) And one more thingThere have been a few threads on this forum about a "hybrid" option that some young HVR patients choose (and some CV surgeons recommend as an option): going for a tissue valve now/first, in the expectation of getting a mechanical valve the next time. Like the other options, it's not the "obviously wonderful" or perfect answer to everything, but some people (here and elsewhere) have chosen it, and a bunch of people who've chosen it are happy with it.

This is obviously one of the most personal decisions most of us make, and there's no wrong answer -- other than "going down" with a failing native valve while a better option is readily available.

I'm actually overwhelmed with all the responses to be honest, I think because things are being explained to me that I know nothing about, like IGN levels, and a steady level of 2.2 of warifin(sp?) which I'm assuming is either a generic form of cummodine, or just another name for it. I feel so lost to be honest. Did most of you know about any of this going into surgery or more so after!
 
With regards to hockey: As an avid hockey player myself, I can totally understand the hockey aspect. At 25 I was not ready to stop playing at the highly competitive level I was playing at to play in a less competitive league. Really the fun is in the extreme competitiveness and that is lacking in the drop-in and non-contact rec leagues.

What I can say, however, is that I do know people who have had valve surgery (and multiple bypasses) who do play. I also know an 18 year old who plays Junior hockey who had a full sternotomy when he was young. I guess it depends on your surgeon and cariologists about what they recommend post-surgery. Personally, I'd rather play with a bunch of people I know then not play at all.

Then again, I've also played when 5 months pregnant and should wear a knee brace due to a bad knee injury a decade or so ago.

As yotphix says, pick your risks and what you are comfortable with. I would probably still play, though maybe not at the same level of contact as previously, if I had had valve replacement surgery. I'd definitely play in the rec league I play in now. In a rec league you can always step out (not fun I know) if it seems to be getting a bit too chippy. For health reasons, it's always an option.

Justin has played ice and roller hockey several times (seasons) since he had multiple heart surgeries, with his cardiologist signing off on it. BUt he isn't on any meds. Its pretty common to get concussions playing hockey even with the best helmets, chances are high it could be much worse in an anticoagulated person
so being on Coumadin is different than having full sternum opening one or even 5 times.
 
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