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Christine

this one is for the ladies... I finally saw my doc today regarding my monthly days from hell.. (warfarin related excessive monthly bleeding) she wrote me a script for Alesse which is a low estrogen and progesterone (SP?) to help control my heavy cycles and help put me in control of my birth control since i'm only 35, permanment methods are not a option for me right now.. (IE: side affects of coumadin and pregnency down the road) - my gp is a internist who handles my well woman issues too.. all I need to do is clear it with my cardio before I start it.. my question is if anyone here uses a combo pill or are the pregesterone only mini pills better...

any info would be appreciated... she also told me that I should have a bone density test done on a regular basis (once a year I guess) because coumadin can have an negative affect on your bones.. didn't know that.. she said not many people are aware of that..

thanks

christine
 
Christine:
Testing for bone density is so important. This may be a matter of terminology, but I don't think that coumadin has a negative effect on the bones....it's the diminished vitamin K in people who take anticoaguolants that can cause problems with bone density and result in osteoporisis. I will repeat my often repeated opinion that almost everyone on anticoagulants should be taking calcium daily. Perhaps the info on the following link about vitamin K deficiencies will be of interest.

http://www.ctds.info/vitamink.html
 
Hi Christine,

Can't answer your question regarding coumadin as I am not on this. I have a pig valve and don't need any medication. However I am interested to note that you have been prescribed a combined birth control pill. I take the mini pill which is a progestogen only pill. My GP wouldn't prescribe the combined pill as she said there is a risk of blood clots developing. At that time I hadn't had surgery or even needed it. She said with my heart problem I should take the mini pill as it is less likely to cause problems such as blood clots.
 
Christine

Christine

Another +++++ for being a senior citizen when you have VR...:D Blanche, What calcium do you think I should take and will ask my PCP....Bonnie
 
Peachy

Peachy

Sheesh, I'm feeling really unloved by my family doctor!

I'm on a regular old combo birth control pill. He doesn't even think twice about prescribing it to me. I'm going to have to ask my cardio about this.
 
Birth control pills are a huge cause of blood clots, particularly in the legs. Estrogen seems to be the cause. The earliest ones had way too much estrogen and have been relegated to the scrap heap. The ones that came out in the 70s and 80's have less estrogen and cause the least clotting. The newest ones have estrogen equivalents in them and have increased risk of clotting associated with them compared to the formulas of 20 years ago.

The progestin pill has the least risk of clotting. However, it is also the least effective contraceptive.

Weeks 6 to 12 of a pregnancy are the worst for a fetus as far as warfarin is concerned. This makes for a serious problem because the damage can be done before a woman even knows that she is pregnant.

ONLY IF YOU HAVE A STRONG STOMACH and want to see the effect of warfarin on a baby click on
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...rin&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=G
 
thanks Al.. the damage that can be done to a fetus is the reason (other then controlling my excessive bleeding) for taking the pills... since i'm only 35, we don't want to do any permanment birth control, rather have a pregnency planned via heperan if that should ever occur... and implants can cause infections and the shots have the same risks involved but can't 'stop' if problems occur.. while the risk is low, we realize it is there.. knowing family history of blood clots/strokes, and keeping my INR in check all help..

christine
 
I remember my first surgeon told me he recommends that all women get off Birth control pills as soon as possible.
Lucky for me my husband had the snip snip after my 1st avr.
Now on coumadin, I was having heavy monthly bleeding and my cardiologist did not want me on estrogen. So my Gyn has me on Prometrium 200mg taken days 1-12 each month. This has helped reduce the flow significantly and made periods shorter, too.
Gail
 
Hi christine
I know you posted your question quite a while ago and from my experience I've used a combined oral contreceptive (after much discussion with my Doctor) and I've always been fine on it.

You are one of the only people I've come across who like me is taking warfarin and is of child bearing years. I had a mitral valve replacement 10 yrs ago following infective endiocarditis and am on warfarin for life. I did a search under pregancy on the forum and your email came up so I hope you don't mind me talking about this? What are your views on pregnancy considering the possible risks?
Helen;)
 
helenp,

I am also taking warfarin and am of childbearing age (30). I am not on a birth control method, because my husband had surgery before I met him. I have to admit, there are times I feel very left out when I'm with my circle of friends who are starting their families. With me it's really just as well, because my cardiologist has specifically said, pregnancy is NOT an option. Doesn't make it any easier to deal with as I love children and would have a dozen if I could.

Anyway, those are my thoughts,
Lora
 
Hi Lora, Just wanted to let you know you're not alone when the doctors told you NO Pregnancy. I was/am told by every doctor I meet not to have children. Because of the coumadin and that "my heart could NOT take 9 months of carrying a baby". I'm sure there are a good few women here of child bearing age and have chosen not to have children for fear of the risks and it is a very sensitive topic. For most women here who weren't born with congenital heart diseases I'm sure it was a real shock and still is heart breaking. Doctors have been telling me since I was 13 no kids, ever. So, I never really had the opportunity or chance to even think of it. It was always just the way it had to be. And I guess in a way it was good. But although it's not easy, I've learned to live with it, Just like I've learned to live with these crazy clicking things in my chest. I think it just makes me appreciate children so much more. Going to my old teachers son's 1st b-day party tomorrow, I'm gonna dress up as Barney :D . I can't wait til I have little nieces and nephews running around.
 
Christy

Christy

I had no choice on the coumadin since having a St. Jude's valve. But had a choice of not have more surgery yet. I am presently on Depo-prevera and it has been a godsend for me. I go for another shot next month. I have been on it for a year, have been happy since. You do what works for you. Also, you have to do something to prevent anemia. So good luck on the birth control.

Caroline
09-13-01
Aortic valve replacement
St. Jude's valve
 
I'm not getting involved with whether or not someone's heart could stand pregnancy, just from the warfarin standpoint.

Weeks 6 to 12 are the worst for the baby. The effect is similar to fetal alcohol syndrome. You might be 6 weeks along and have already caused harm by the time you know that you are pregnant.

Before getting pregnant, you must consult with a doctor experienced in high-risk pregnancies.

The next thing you have to consider is whether or not you will be able to accept a baby with (possibly) a somewhat odd face. Remember that this will remind you of your decision for the rest of the child's life. Some people are willing to take the risk, some are not.
 
Thanks for your reply
I am planning pregnancy and have been told to become pregnant whilst taking warfarin but be very vigilant in testing myself so I can discover I am pregnant before the 6 weeks. I will then switch to heparin injections straight away to avoid damage to the fetus if possible. I'm lucky in the sense that my heart is strong enough to carry a baby, it's just the warfarin effects I'm really worried about. I have sought many different medical opinions on this (2 hemotologists, 3 cardiologists and GP's etc) they all seem to agree this is the best course of action. Is there anyone who has had a pregnancy whilst taking anticoagulants that can share their experiences?

Thanks
Helen X
:confused:
 
A friend who is an OB/GYN sent me this article:

Warfarin called reasonable approach
Anticoagulation in Pregnant Heart Valve Patients

Bruce Jancin
Denver Bureau


SNOWMASS, COLO. ? Continued use of warfarin throughout pregnancy is a reasonable management strategy in selected women with a prosthetic heart valve, Dr. Carole A. Warnes said at a conference sponsored by the American College of Cardiology.

Appropriate candidates are women on lower-dose warfarin before pregnancy and at high risk for a thromboembolic event during pregnancy, either because of a history of prior events or because they have an older tilting-disk mechanical valve in the mitral position, said Dr. Warnes, professor of medicine at the Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn.

Unfractionated heparin is a less attractive option in these high-risk patients. It's a much less effective antithrombotic agent than warfarin during pregnancy she added.

The chief downside of warfarin use in pregnancy is the risk of embryopathy with fetal exposure during weeks 6-9. But there is evidence to suggest this risk is probably dose-related. One showed no embryopathy in 33 exposed fetuses whose mothers were on 5 mg/day or less of warfarin, compared with a 9% incidence of warfarin embryopathy in 25 fetuses whose mothers were on higher doses. However, this study was a retrospective case series, and there have been no controlled trials to guide management of thromboembolic risk in pregnant patients with prosthetic valves.

While warfarin dosage requirements can change frequently during pregnancy, a woman who is well controlled on 5 mg/day or less prior to pregnancy usually won't need more than 5 mg/day during pregnancy, she said.

Warfarin embryopathy is marked by mental retardation, optic atrophy, nasal hypoplasia, and cataracts. But the risk of warfarin embryopathy following fetal exposure is often overstated in the literature. Rates quoted in various series range from 4% to 28.6%.

What few people realize, however, is that rates at the high end are confined to chondrodysplasia punctata, the most common manifestation of warfarin embryopathy. This clinically insignificant skeletal abnormality is apparent only on x-ray and is irrelevant to a child's development.

It is advisable to discontinue warfarin near term and switch to intravenous heparin to an activated partial thromboplastin time of 2.5-3.5. If warfarin is on board during labor and delivery, fetal or maternal hemorrhage can result.

Warfarin is listed in the Physicians' Desk Reference as contraindicated in pregnancy. Conversely, the American College of Cardiology?American Heart Association guidelines specifically advise against the use of low-molecular-weight heparin (LMWH) in pregnant women with prosthetic valves.

In addition, last year Aventis Pharmaceuticals added to its enoxaparin product label a warning against the drug's use for thromboprophylaxis in patients with prosthetic heart valves, regardless of pregnancy status.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists followed with an advisory that LMWH is safe in pregnancy except in women with mechanical prosthetic heart valves, where the drug is not recommended.

The Aventis product labeling change prompted a multidisciplinary expert panel to convene last year to review in detail the scientific evidence. In mid-October the Anticoagulation in Prosthetic Valves and Pregnancy Consensus Report Panel criticized the labeling change as ?unsubstantiated? and concluded that of the three available options for anticoagulation in pregnant women with mechanical heart valves?warfarin, LMWH, and unfractionated heparin?LMWH ?offered the best option of three suboptimal choices.?
 
This is largely what I have had on my website for the past 3 years.

In the this paragraph though the reporter twisted up the aPTT test with the units used to measure the INR "It is advisable to discontinue warfarin near term and switch to intravenous heparin to an activated partial thromboplastin time of 2.5-3.5." So disregard this.

Also, I have been told that the prohibition against the use of Lovenox (enoxaparin) (LMWH) for pregnant women with heart valves is going to be removed - probably early next year. It takes a while for all of the bureaucracies to concur and get new info print and in the packages.

It will still remain, as MelissaM's article says ?offered the best option of three suboptimal choices.?
 
my new doctor (here is philly) just mentioned that now i'm strong enough heart wise to have a child but s/b off coumadin before i conceive.. (extream child planning mode... switch to heperan)

less risks of birth defects..

christine
 
The down side is that heparin causes bones to lose calcium. Being pregnant is already a big drain on a woman's calcium. A fractured ankle or back is a real possibility if you use heparin for 9 months. Warfarin doesn't do this. That is why many want the woman to go back on warfarin after the danger period. This is why I recommend a doctor experienced in high risk pregnancy. The cardiologist can judge whether or not your heart is strong enough but may never have cared for a woman throughout a warfarin-related pregnancy.

As was previously stated - there are three choices, none ideal.
 
Topic close to home...

Topic close to home...

This topic hit very close to home for me. I had been on a low dose estrogen based pill for several years before my valve surgery (keep in mind I have congential heart defects and blood clots were already addressed). Once I had the valve surgery my surgeon (or the hospital, I don't know?) sent in a pediatric GYN to discuss changing my birth control method. I was changed to a progestrin only pill. For several months I was oblivious to what this was doing (or not doing) to me. Because the progestrin only pill can sometimes allow your body to ovulate, this opened up the oportunity for cysts to form on my ovaries. They would form and reabsorb each month for at least three. I just thought I was having really bad gas pains or something (I didn't link it to my cycle, yet). Then in January of this year the pain was unbearable. It finally clicked that this was always happening at the same time each month. And that night, the cyst burst and proceeded to bleed. By this time I was already at the ER, and by the next morning I was extreemly swollen with the blood I was loosing. I ended up with emergency surgery to remove the cyst and stop the bleeding. I then had to recieve a transfusion of 4 units of blood (not to mention the plasma I recieved the night before to try to stop the bleeding). The attending GYN talked to a hemotologist about my use of the progestrin only pill. The hemotologist felt that, given my circumstances, and the fact that I'm already anticoagulated, that putting me on a combo pill was not a problem.

However, since that surgery I've been struggling to find the "right" birth control for me. I've been told that I should not ever try to cary a pregnancy (and even though my problem IS congenital, it still hurts very much). So I feel like there is not point in having to put up with my monthly "visitor" especially since it has become so heavy. However, with my being so young, my gyn doesn't want me to have a hysterectomy. So she suggested the deppo shot. That was the experience from h*ll. I had a period for a month and a half! So when I went back I was put back on the pill I had had success with prior to starting coumadin. I have only made it through one pill pack, and have started another, but I'm not sure this will work out either. I've now been on my period for 9 days and counting. I'm so completely fed up with all of this. I think I've only had about 2 weeks this summer that I was NOT on a period. Kinda cuts back on my hubby's and my "social life" if you catch my drift. It is SO frustrating!

Thanks for letting me vent.
 
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