ALCapshaw2
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According to a news flash on AOL, former President Bill Clinton checked into a NY Hospital with Chest Pain and may require Bypass Surgery. The report stated that several lesions were found.
Bill Clinton has Chest Pain
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due to his past and his confessions I was thinking a different chest pain..I hope he is ok..Yaps
Oh my
due to his past and his confessions I was thinking a different chest pain..I hope he is ok..Yaps
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Susan BAV
I was just reading that on the Web news and it also said that Rodney Dangerfield is still in the hospital, in intensive care, on a respirator, a week after his heart valve surgery! He's in UCLA Medical Center. Maybe that has been posted elsewhere.
Sure hope things go better for him! Hope things go well for Mr. Clinton also!
Sure hope things go better for him! Hope things go well for Mr. Clinton also!
Marguerite53
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I believe the latest is that Bill Clinton will undergo quadruple bypass.
They said he cuold be up and around walking abit as early as the first evening post surgery. I would be very interested to know how long those surgeries usually are, and what they are doing to protect him from "pumphead". While all may not agree with his politics, it's hard to dispute how fabulously articulate and brilliant the man is. My hope is that the brilliance won't be tainted by this experience.
What a crazy news day.
Marguerite
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I believe the latest is that Bill Clinton will undergo quadruple bypass.
They said he cuold be up and around walking abit as early as the first evening post surgery. I would be very interested to know how long those surgeries usually are, and what they are doing to protect him from "pumphead". While all may not agree with his politics, it's hard to dispute how fabulously articulate and brilliant the man is. My hope is that the brilliance won't be tainted by this experience.
What a crazy news day.
Marguerite
LUVMyBirman
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Just watched a news clip. It stated he could attribute his current lean appearance to a 'fad diet' and exercise. Wonder if he was doing Atkins 
Personally know someone that major organ damage from that diet. I still wonder to this day if Dr. Atkins did not really meet his maker at his own hand. Think about it...how can all of that fat and protein consumtion be safe! Low carb is hogwash! No pun intended. Oink oink
Personally know someone that major organ damage from that diet. I still wonder to this day if Dr. Atkins did not really meet his maker at his own hand. Think about it...how can all of that fat and protein consumtion be safe! Low carb is hogwash! No pun intended. Oink oink
Re: Clinton and Dr. Atkins.
Re: Clinton and Dr. Atkins.
At the DNC Mr. Clinton sported a leaner body and it was said he had been on the South Beach diet since January of this year. Good for him.
I am not a defender of the Atkins diet but Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice and had a head injury and this fall caused his death. During the 9 days in Intensive Care his body was pumped full of fluids. Read up on the real story. Many people would like to believe he died at his own hand, but this is just not true.
See article below.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4327741
Re: Clinton and Dr. Atkins.
At the DNC Mr. Clinton sported a leaner body and it was said he had been on the South Beach diet since January of this year. Good for him.
I am not a defender of the Atkins diet but Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice and had a head injury and this fall caused his death. During the 9 days in Intensive Care his body was pumped full of fluids. Read up on the real story. Many people would like to believe he died at his own hand, but this is just not true.
See article below.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4327741
LUVMyBirman
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Nice article. Though, I see it of more of a "he said" she said...etc. One can defend all day long.
We did not see actual copies of his medical records? Or did I miss something Like I said...I know an individual that is debilitated because of the diet. We got along for many years eating a balanced diet and watching intake of "fatty foods".
We did not see actual copies of his medical records? Or did I miss something
Like I said...I know an individual that is debilitated because of the diet. We got along for many years eating a balanced diet and watching intake of "fatty foods".Re: Dr. Atkins cause of death.
Re: Dr. Atkins cause of death.
Here is Dr. Atkins Death certificate and a report of the Medical Examiner below. (Scroll to the bottom of page to see this)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bloombergatkins1.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/atkinsmed1.html
Re: Dr. Atkins cause of death.
Here is Dr. Atkins Death certificate and a report of the Medical Examiner below. (Scroll to the bottom of page to see this)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bloombergatkins1.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/atkinsmed1.html
Bill lacks 'em poke rinds...
It's hard to forget that he reigned over the most prosperous times this country ever experienced, brought the National Debt to $0.00, and started to pay back to Social Security the money that the Reagan administration liberated to feed the fabulously unsuccessful "trickle-down economics" program. And still had time to disgrace himself with a tawdry affair.
Bill is many things, but he is not your average Joe. I wish him well.
Best wishes,
It's hard to forget that he reigned over the most prosperous times this country ever experienced, brought the National Debt to $0.00, and started to pay back to Social Security the money that the Reagan administration liberated to feed the fabulously unsuccessful "trickle-down economics" program. And still had time to disgrace himself with a tawdry affair.
Bill is many things, but he is not your average Joe. I wish him well.
Best wishes,
hensylee
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I can feel the opinions and snides scratching at the door. Let's not do it. We should treat our former president with the same respect that we give to any other famous person who has a heart problem and as we treat each other. Bill is sick. I know, I have been right where he is and it ain't pleasant. I wish President Clinton health and success in his surgery, which might take place as early as tomorrow. Who knows, maybe one day he will stop in to say hey.
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Shine_on_Syd
AP Flash on Clinton's OHS
AP Flash on Clinton's OHS
Age, eating habits catch up with Clinton
9/3/2004, 5:51 p.m. ET
By LAURAN NEERGAARD
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) ? Bill Clinton is a man close to 60, with a little pudge and a longtime love of junk food. That fits the stereotype for heart disease.Needing bypass surgery, however, suggests that the former president's disease is relatively extensive, and that's surprising for an active dignitary who presumably has top-notch and timely physical checkups.
Clinton is fortunate that his chest pains sent him to the doctor. Far too often, the first symptom in people who don't fit the stereotype is a heart attack or sudden death.
To feel chest pain means at least one important artery is 70 to 80 percent blocked. Tests showed Clinton had not had a heart attack, but did have blockages in several arteries.
That means he wasn't a candidate for less invasive treatments, in which balloons and stents are threaded into arteries to clear them out and prop them open. Clinton needs open-heart bypass surgery.
The good news for Clinton is that nonemergency bypasses, like the one he has scheduled, are very safe. Moreover, patients leave the hospital armed with medications that, together with good diet and exercise, dramatically lower their risk of a future heart attack or even more surgery.
"With statin drugs and other measures, patients are going much longer, beyond 10 years, without the need of a second operation," said Dr. Charles Rackley, a cardiologist at Georgetown University Hospital. "He's got a lot to look forward to."
Some 305,000 Americans had heart bypasses in 2001, the latest data from the American Heart Association shows.
It's arduous surgery: It requires general anesthesia. Usually, the patient's heart is stopped and a heart-lung machine circulates blood, although about a fifth of bypasses now are performed on a beating heart. That makes the procedure more challenging for the surgeon.
The chest is cut open, and surgeons attach new blood vessels to create a detour around clogged ones. Usually, that requires cutting a donor vein from the leg, which gives the patient another body part to heal.
The operation's risk of death is less than 1 percent for a stable patient with normal heart function, like Clinton, Rackley said.
Patients typically spend three to five days in the hospital, including a day in intensive care where they wake up groggy and with a breathing tube. Once they can breathe on their own and feel up to it, walking is encouraged; more active rehabilitation is prescribed a few weeks after they go home.
Many patients can be back to work in four to six weeks. Recovery sometimes takes longer, however, particularly for heart-attack victims and people with physically strenuous jobs.
Clinton is a good example of how heart disease creeps up.
By middle age, everyone has some fatty buildup, called plaque, in the arteries.
Age aside, Clinton has other risk factors: heart disease in his mother's family, too many pounds and occasional periods of borderline high cholesterol. Plus that love of junk food.
Consequently, Clinton has said that he long had heart checkups, and he kept active, keeping his blood pressure and heart rate good, while he was in the White House. More recently, he lost a significant amount of weight, all important steps to good heart health.
Still, heart symptoms can appear suddenly, even in people who recently sailed through checkups. In fact, half of all heart-attack victims have normal or low cholesterol levels.
"We think of it (heart disease) like crud building in a pipe, and it's more complicated than that," explained Dr. Jonathan L. Halperin of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, a spokesman for the American Heart Association.
Instead, inflammation deep in the body can suddenly trigger an artery blockage even when there is little overall fat buildup, by breaking apart plaque so that it forms clots to choke off blood flow.
So if chest pain suddenly begins, even if you just passed a checkup, follow Clinton's example and see a doctor right away, Halperin says.
AP Flash on Clinton's OHS
Age, eating habits catch up with Clinton
9/3/2004, 5:51 p.m. ET
By LAURAN NEERGAARD
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) ? Bill Clinton is a man close to 60, with a little pudge and a longtime love of junk food. That fits the stereotype for heart disease.Needing bypass surgery, however, suggests that the former president's disease is relatively extensive, and that's surprising for an active dignitary who presumably has top-notch and timely physical checkups.
Clinton is fortunate that his chest pains sent him to the doctor. Far too often, the first symptom in people who don't fit the stereotype is a heart attack or sudden death.
To feel chest pain means at least one important artery is 70 to 80 percent blocked. Tests showed Clinton had not had a heart attack, but did have blockages in several arteries.
That means he wasn't a candidate for less invasive treatments, in which balloons and stents are threaded into arteries to clear them out and prop them open. Clinton needs open-heart bypass surgery.
The good news for Clinton is that nonemergency bypasses, like the one he has scheduled, are very safe. Moreover, patients leave the hospital armed with medications that, together with good diet and exercise, dramatically lower their risk of a future heart attack or even more surgery.
"With statin drugs and other measures, patients are going much longer, beyond 10 years, without the need of a second operation," said Dr. Charles Rackley, a cardiologist at Georgetown University Hospital. "He's got a lot to look forward to."
Some 305,000 Americans had heart bypasses in 2001, the latest data from the American Heart Association shows.
It's arduous surgery: It requires general anesthesia. Usually, the patient's heart is stopped and a heart-lung machine circulates blood, although about a fifth of bypasses now are performed on a beating heart. That makes the procedure more challenging for the surgeon.
The chest is cut open, and surgeons attach new blood vessels to create a detour around clogged ones. Usually, that requires cutting a donor vein from the leg, which gives the patient another body part to heal.
The operation's risk of death is less than 1 percent for a stable patient with normal heart function, like Clinton, Rackley said.
Patients typically spend three to five days in the hospital, including a day in intensive care where they wake up groggy and with a breathing tube. Once they can breathe on their own and feel up to it, walking is encouraged; more active rehabilitation is prescribed a few weeks after they go home.
Many patients can be back to work in four to six weeks. Recovery sometimes takes longer, however, particularly for heart-attack victims and people with physically strenuous jobs.
Clinton is a good example of how heart disease creeps up.
By middle age, everyone has some fatty buildup, called plaque, in the arteries.
Age aside, Clinton has other risk factors: heart disease in his mother's family, too many pounds and occasional periods of borderline high cholesterol. Plus that love of junk food.
Consequently, Clinton has said that he long had heart checkups, and he kept active, keeping his blood pressure and heart rate good, while he was in the White House. More recently, he lost a significant amount of weight, all important steps to good heart health.
Still, heart symptoms can appear suddenly, even in people who recently sailed through checkups. In fact, half of all heart-attack victims have normal or low cholesterol levels.
"We think of it (heart disease) like crud building in a pipe, and it's more complicated than that," explained Dr. Jonathan L. Halperin of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, a spokesman for the American Heart Association.
Instead, inflammation deep in the body can suddenly trigger an artery blockage even when there is little overall fat buildup, by breaking apart plaque so that it forms clots to choke off blood flow.
So if chest pain suddenly begins, even if you just passed a checkup, follow Clinton's example and see a doctor right away, Halperin says.
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Shine_on_Syd
I wish Mr.Clinton the best. He will be in my prayers. Thank goodness he did not ignor the pains.
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Susan BAV
Hi James -
Interesting article.
But don't all of us dislike being medically stereotyped?! We've all discussed it on various threads; someone has a bad heart... people assume we must graze on possom belly and pork rinds... I do love pork rinds though so did I just contradict my thought?! But my arteries are clean as a whistle. And then there's the health food loyalist who jogs daily who dies prematurely from a massive heart attack with clogged arteries...
By the way, why can't the medical community develop a more accurate non-invasive test for health issues like this? I know several people, some family and some friends, who received clean bills-of-health only to need emergent or emergency bypass weeks later!
Interesting article.
But don't all of us dislike being medically stereotyped?! We've all discussed it on various threads; someone has a bad heart... people assume we must graze on possom belly and pork rinds... I do love pork rinds though so did I just contradict my thought?! But my arteries are clean as a whistle. And then there's the health food loyalist who jogs daily who dies prematurely from a massive heart attack with clogged arteries...
By the way, why can't the medical community develop a more accurate non-invasive test for health issues like this? I know several people, some family and some friends, who received clean bills-of-health only to need emergent or emergency bypass weeks later!
S
Shine_on_Syd
Susan,
That is why I posted the article. The headlines read about junk food and age. A sweeping generalization. I think these headlines were unfair, I agree, people with heart disease should not be stereotyped. When I tell people I had OHS they automatically assume bypass and I must have lived an unhealthy life style. The opposite is true I have always been in good cardio condition.
This must have snuck up on the President as the article says, such a formidable world leader must be having top notch checkups on a regular basis.
l. As far as less invasive testing, my doc does a blood C-reactive protein test showing that I have inflammation that is a indicator of heart attack trigger. But I attribute that to running on pavement. Not coronary artery disease. I am a big guy and the running can't help but inflame my joints.
What ever the cause he is in good hands at NY Presbyterian.
James
That is why I posted the article. The headlines read about junk food and age. A sweeping generalization. I think these headlines were unfair, I agree, people with heart disease should not be stereotyped. When I tell people I had OHS they automatically assume bypass and I must have lived an unhealthy life style. The opposite is true I have always been in good cardio condition.
This must have snuck up on the President as the article says, such a formidable world leader must be having top notch checkups on a regular basis.
l. As far as less invasive testing, my doc does a blood C-reactive protein test showing that I have inflammation that is a indicator of heart attack trigger. But I attribute that to running on pavement. Not coronary artery disease. I am a big guy and the running can't help but inflame my joints.
What ever the cause he is in good hands at NY Presbyterian.
James
ALCapshaw2
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Interesting and informative article. The author, LAURAN NEERGAARD, should be commended for 'getting it right' in her explanation of Coronary Artery Disease to the public.
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KimC
Crystal Ball
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My family prospered under the Clinton Admin., although his affair w/ Monica was disappointing to say the least. I'm still very fond of Clinton and hope his surgery goes well.
The WP article re: CAD was very interesting. I've had bloodwork that showed a high level of inflammation, then a low level a few months later ... even your lipid levels can be effected by time of day, etc.
I wish Science had an easy test to predict heart disease complications, but even C-Reactive Protein and the latest complex lipid protein tests don't always offer that "crystal ball" we're all lookin' for.
Best,
Crystal Ball
My family prospered under the Clinton Admin., although his affair w/ Monica was disappointing to say the least. I'm still very fond of Clinton and hope his surgery goes well.
The WP article re: CAD was very interesting. I've had bloodwork that showed a high level of inflammation, then a low level a few months later ... even your lipid levels can be effected by time of day, etc.
I wish Science had an easy test to predict heart disease complications, but even C-Reactive Protein and the latest complex lipid protein tests don't always offer that "crystal ball" we're all lookin' for.
Best,
ALCapshaw2
Well-known member
Another factor in CAD is spasms in the arteries which does NOT show up in the standard tests.
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