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ChicagoMammy

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For those who take prophylactic antibiotics for dental trips do you take them if you cut yourself? I normally don't, but I was scrubing the toilet this morning and cut a gash on an uncapped screw at the base of the toilet. I just thought of all those lovely germs trying to make their way to my heart. Am I overreacting? I've already taken them, but was curious.
 
I wouldn't presume to tell you what to do about your cut but I normally wash a cut well, apply antibiotic cream and put a bandaid. I keep it covered and reapply antibiotic cream several times until I am sure there is no infection.
 
Agree with keeping it clean while it heals, and keeping a watch in case it shows signs of infection. I’m sure you’re aware of this option, and not that it would have prevented your gash, but for me when I’m cleaning anything that is germy I usually wear disposable vinyl gloves. I buy these in the hardware department, usually a box of 100, they’re used for staining things or doing clean-up, but I also wear them when I have a cut on my hand and I’m cleaning up our dog’s “accidents” on the floor :). I believe our natural immune systems can be a great defense, however being heart valve patients we should never take infections or possible endocarditis symptoms lightly. I believe not all bacteria are of the types known to cause endocarditis, however contracting endocarditis would be very dangerous.

Sounds like you should be fine. If I were to get a suspicious cut or puncture I would watch for signs of infection, and if it looked infected have it checked out. As far as endocarditis is concerned, although it’s of relatively low occurrence, but because of its seriousness, I know to watch for its particular symptoms (e.g., fevers, among others) for a period of time after an event that concerns me. But other than taking prudent precautions, being aware of symptoms and acting promptly, I don’t let this potential risk to us get in the way of living a fully active life.

Disclaimer: I’m no expert regarding infections or endocarditis.
 
I had endocarditis last year, very nearly killed me and forced an AVR redo. It was a mouth bacteria that got me, nothing from any of the numerous cuts I manage to get!

Much more important is what I was told about oral hygiene AFTER the bout of endocarditis (thanks guys!!) which is to rinse with antiseptic mouthwash before you brush your teeth, wait a few minutes, then brush and floss.

I get cuts and scrapes on a weekly basis from mountain biking and I pretty much ignore them - so far, no more endocarditis! :) I looked into the bacteria that cause endocarditis a while ago and it was largely mouth bacteria - various Streps - not bacteria living on your skin (worth a google search to put your mind at ease).
 
Yes, Listerine. I got that advice from my infectious diseases specialist, not my cardiologist. The idea is to kill the bugs in your mouth before you do anything that might result in you poking some through, that's why he suggested waiting a couple minutes after rinsing before brushing/flossing.

He also said that before I have any dental work done (i.e. just before the dentist starts), do another rinse - he said that's been shown to be more effective than the pre-dental antibiotics at preventing endocarditis!
 
Thank you, ski girl.
Such helpful information you have shared with us.
It makes good common sense and there is nothing that could point to the contrary IMO
 
Here are some additional comments, with a reminder that I’m not an expert on infections or endocarditis; and in addition to members’ valuable personal experiences if a reader wants more information they can always read about endocarditis on credible heart care websites or consult their cardiologist:

I agree that our oral flora is one of the most common sources of endocarditis (e.g., strep viridans). However, we should keep in mind that there are other sources and bacterial types associated with endocarditis. For example, after valve replacement surgery I was given an American Heart Association card that spells out the types of procedures for which they recommend I take pre-meds (antibiotic prophylaxis). These meds are used before particular procedures regarding dental (oral flora), respiratory, gastrointestinal (intestinal flora), and genitourinary (e.g., urinary tract). Also noteworthy are other types of bacteria that can cause endocarditis, including Staphylococcus aureus and Enterococcus to name a few. Staphylococcus aureus is a particularly virulent bacteria, and can lead to an aggressive form of endocarditis (acute).

I believe some sources of endocarditis can emanate from outside of our bodies, that manage to infiltrate, although I don’t know how prevalent this origin is compared to others. It’s noteworthy that a variety of staph bacteria can live on our skin. Intravenous drug users are vulnerable to S. aureus infections and thus have a higher incidence of endocarditis. They tend to share unsanitary needles, injecting straight into a vein, and leaving numerous deep puncture wounds on their skin inviting infection.

Is it technically possible that a common puncture wound can get infected with the right type of bacteria that is known to be associated with endocarditis?, I think so (remember I’m no expert :)), but we aren’t dropping off like flies! However, I believe it’s always good to clean a wound and monitor it for infection, and know the symptoms to play it safe. I don’t think that all local infections would necessarily lead to a systemic infection or contain the endocarditis causing culprits (but would we know what entered?), however as a person with a prosthetic valve it seems best to understand the potential issues, and I personally tend to error on safety when it comes to an infection. But I also remind myself that endocarditis is of relatively low occurrence, we have natural immune system barriers that help protect us, and I take prudent precautions and my pre-meds before dental procedures. Even though I survived endocarditis once before, I don’t worry about it too much, no use being paranoid, and still lots of living to do. Unfortunately, it seems much of the time it’s the luck/unluck of the draw whether you contract it, but it’s a serious issue for us heart valve patients, not to be taken lightly, and so a certain amount of precaution and knowledge is a good thing :thumbup:.
 

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