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This was published today in a journal called Medical Decision Making

Med Decis Making. 2005 Jul-Aug;25(4):387-97.

Perioperative management of patients on oral anticoagulants: a decision analysis.

Dunn AS, Wisnivesky J, Ho W, Moore C, McGinn T, Sacks HS.

Division of General Medicine, Department of Medicine, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, New York. [email protected].

BACKGROUND: To better inform clinicians on the optimal management of patients on oral anticoagulation who need to undergo surgery or invasive procedures, the authors performed a decision analysis examining whether a perioperative aggressive or minimalist strategy results in greater quality-adjusted survival. METHODS: . A decision analysis model was created comparing withholding warfarin (minimalist strategy) to withholding warfarin and administering treatment-dose subcutaneous low-molecular-weight heparin (LMWH) or intravenous heparin perioperatively (aggressive strategy). The base-case analysis examined a hypothetical 60-year-old hypertensive individual with mechanical aortic valve replacement undergoing major abdominal surgery. A probabilistic sensitivity analysis was performed using a Monte Carlo simulation with quality-adjusted life expectancy (QALE) as the outcome. Secondary analyses examined patients with a mechanical mitral valve and atrial fibrillation. Sensitivity analyses were performed for each variable. RESULTS: . Under the base-case scenario, the minimalist strategy was preferred for 78% of trials in the Monte Carlo simulation, with a mean benefit of 0.003 years (95% confidence interval, -0.005 years to 0.011 years). Sensitivity analyses based on point estimates indicate that the aggressive strategy is preferred when the annual stroke rate is >5.6% or the increase in postoperative major bleeding induced by heparin is <2.0%; however, the benefit is small over the range of plausible values. CONCLUSIONS: . For most patients with a mechanical aortic valve or atrial fibrillation undergoing major surgery, a minimalist strategy of simply withholding oral anticoagulation provides similar QALE as an aggressive strategy of administering perioperative subcutaneous LMWH or intravenous heparin. The aggressive therapy provides greater QALE for patients at higher risk of stroke (e.g., mechanical mitral valves), although the benefit is small.
 
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After reading the article, I am still confused. Is it better to have bridging or simply go off the coumadin. The article is not processing correctly for me. Thanks,
 
Marcia:

It's written in medicalese, a language that's very only taught in very select institutions called Medical Schools. :D

Al:

Does "Monte Carlo simulation with quality-adjusted life expectancy" mean:
The results in YOUR situation are a crap shoot?
 
Any study that has some of it's parameters from Monte Carlo leaves me wondering if anticoagulated people should just play roulette. :D :D
 
Nancy,
I think that is what it meant. It is a roll of the dice.

The conclusion is that bridging aortic valve people is useless and bridging mitral valve people might be helpful but the benefit is so slight that it is probably not worth it.

This was not a study on real people but a statistical model. But it is things like this that doctors and insurance companies will hold up as why it is not worth doing.
 
allodwick said:
This was not a study on real people but a statistical model. But it is things like this that doctors and insurance companies will hold up as why it is not worth doing.

And then there are patients like WarrenR's dad who are perfect reasons for Rxing bridge therapy (if not using heparin on a hospitalized patient).
 
It you have the stroke then the statistics were 100% wrong in your case.
 
And who convinces the insurance companies to pay for bridge therapy?
Rich
 
It looks like the people who pay them (us) will have to be more vocal.
 
Hold or bridge

Hold or bridge

I hate to muddy the water still further, but my cardiologist top guy in top group recommends "hold" not "bridge". Says he never has had any trouble.
 
It is sorta like when I was going to have my prostate frozen. I asked the urologist what the major complication rate was. He said, "It's pretty low - about 1%. I've never had any trouble." Then I asked how many he had done and he said, "You will be #100." I burst out laughing. He has no sense of humor. He asked, "What's so funny." Me - "You've done 99 with no complications but the complication rate is 1% and I'm going to be #100." He still just had a blank stare.
 
Marty said:
I hate to muddy the water still further, but my cardiologist top guy in top group recommends "hold" not "bridge". Says he never has had any trouble.

I've drawn a black bean several times: being the victim of an aggravated abduction attempt at gunpoint (things don't always happen to the OTHER person!) and requiring a valve replacement, even though I was told by several medical professionals in 1990 that I'd "probably" never have a problem.
I don't want to invite another black bean by holding my warfarin.
 
Al--

Your little comment just sailed right over his head. I hope you disproved his percentage theory.

Joe will always have bridging too. No way, no how will he EVER go without bridging. He doesn't need any more problems, and I'm quite sure his insurance would not like him to have any other co-morbidities.
 
allodwick said:
It is sorta like when I was going to have my prostate frozen. I asked the urologist what the major complication rate was. He said, "It's pretty low - about 1%. I've never had any trouble." Then I asked how many he had done and he said, "You will be #100." I burst out laughing. He has no sense of humor. He asked, "What's so funny." Me - "You've done 99 with no complications but the complication rate is 1% and I'm going to be #100." He still just had a blank stare.


Your doctor must have missed the Med School class "How to Show You Are Human: Humor and Medicine Can Mix"

I really laughed when I read your post.

Even with the recent studies, I think I would have a very hard time going "cold turkey". Even though there is a risk of comlications with bridge therapy, I think I'd rather deal with those complications that catastrophic stroke complications. My mitral valve puts me in the High Risk catagory for stroke w/out AC therapy.
 
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My cardiac surgeon took me off when he took out wires and then again when he repaired a hernia. I was not really comfortable with it but he seemed to be. He is an excellent surgeon so I just went along with what he said. I am going to have the carpal tunnel surgery done on my left hand and I told the orthopedic doc that I was not comfortable being off the coumadin. He agreed with me. My case manager was in the room with us and is going to present this to insurance. Still waiting for an answer to see if it is approved. He is going to get a hold of my cardiologist so that he can work with him on the heprin or whatever he uses. Sounds like I would be admitted 3 days or so before the surgery. Workers Comp Co. is sure going to like this. Boy sometimes I hate being so "special". Nothing is simple with the coumadin always being an issue. Better than the alternitive. :D
 
For carpal tunnel surgery you should be able to stay on the coumadin. Its not a very bloody or deeply invasive procedure. I've rarely had more than 5cc of bleeding with this type of surgery. Figure a high number with anticoagulation would be 50cc. Not really that much.
 
Al,

Do you know what they were using as criteria for stroke?

It seems a lot of non-fatal strokes don't go into this type of reporting at all. Some studies even mention that strokes aren't counted if at least an 80% recovery is expected, of if they don't result in major permanent paralysis. If someone spent a year getting recovered or mostly recovered from a "non-countable" stroke, or their speech or thinking is impaired, or they're limited by partial paralysis, they might not agree with the criteria or the accuracy of the reporting.

Two thumbs down on this one...

Best wishes,
 
I don't have access to the actual journal, so what I copied onto here is all that I know.

Supposedly Mark Twain said, "Get the facts first, then distort therm however you want."
 

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